tuna55
tuna55 MegaDork
8/20/15 7:47 a.m.

The Leaf went back to Nissan yesterday. All gone. I figured the GRMers might be interested in hearing the transition between it and the 27 year old, 300K mile Accord.

Driving the Leaf is amazing. It's ridiculously quiet. This is not as insubstantial as it seems. As a person with mechanical empathy, and a few hours of driving crap-heaps on a roadcourse in Lemons, I am always listening for noises. There is always a rattle, an odd shift, an unexpected burble, or perhaps a squeak or two to store in your brain for later processing. The Leaf just makes a whirring noise. Always. It's eerily peaceful, in a way that's more analogous to stepping into an anechoic chamber than a simple new car versus old car comparison. It's extremely satisfying and relaxing to drive.

Its handling is spirited. It will push like a dump truck when driven hard, but keep it below 5 tenths and it flat out responds. A low center of gravity, decent tires, and modern suspension work together to make it the ideal urban driving instrument.

Range anxiety has never ever been an issue for me. I got very close to being out of range a few times, and had to park it in favor of the minivan on three or four occasions, but the expected panic we're supposed to be incapable of overcoming never happened. Nissan threw in a "turtle" mode which helps you limp about after your battery is dead, which is more than I can say about gasoline engine counterparts.

Regarding the more typical modern car appointments, it was neat having a vehicle with automated A/C, bluetooth, seat heaters (which were dramatically more effective than a typical heater), and utter perfect weatherstripping. I was never uncomfortable in this car. Not once.

Enter the Accord. Cattywampus entered my life wounded and discarded. Through blood and sweat (I don't get emotional fixing stuff) it's back in serviceable condition. Though 27 years old, most everything still works. An odd intermittent EGR issue, strangely defiant cruise control, and a general sense of "well, pretty much any bushing in this thing could stand replacement" combine to make the trip more of an adventure. A five speed with the typical Honda torque curve means that I'm a bit more busy behind the wheel than before. Adding all easily available caster and re-adjusting toe has brought the steering feel into "acceptable" territory. The new 16" wheel/tire combo is pretty decent, and the brakes seem to work relatively well, though being devoid of ABS or serious effort of the rear end.

The rattles, squeaks, rumbles, and extra noises are plentiful. My ears are busy. For now, it's refreshing to know that there is a machine beneath me. When I'm exhausted and just trying to get home in the dark so I can be yelled at for being late and forgetting an errand, this may be less "interesting" and more "tiring".

The interior is a bit on the nasty side, and it doesn't have a radio yet, but it's a car. A real, reliable (so far), car. My kids love it because of the noises (custom 2 1/4" exhaust based on leftover parts from Tunatruck and a turbo muffler). Oddly enough, they loved the Leaf for the lack of noises. Strange.

Oddly enough both face a similar problem. In the first instance, the car wasn't mine. I did as little as possible to it because I had nothing to gain by an increase in resale value or sellability. In this instance, the car is basically worthless. Anything I put into it will never come back out. Poor Cattywampus is the shack on a country road. Nobody wants it anyway, adding money to suit yourself is vanity.

I have a tad under 200 miles on Cattywampus so far. She's been an interesting companion. I am not sure how long I'll keep her around, or how long she'll last, but for now I am enjoying the sharp contrast between the two cars, which were both selected for essentially the exact same job.

neon4891
neon4891 MegaDork
8/20/15 8:03 a.m.

So, an '88? I still miss mine, my first car. She was low-mid 200K+ when I put her into a tree. Take care of your's and it will keep going. My biggest issue was the vacuum system for the carb. There was only one shop withing 100 miles that could tune it up.

tuna55
tuna55 MegaDork
8/20/15 8:08 a.m.
neon4891 wrote: So, an '88? I still miss mine, my first car. She was low-mid 200K+ when I put her into a tree. Take care of your's and it will keep going. My biggest issue was the vacuum system for the carb. There was only one shop withing 100 miles that could tune it up.

EFI on my '88!!

belteshazzar
belteshazzar UberDork
8/20/15 8:15 a.m.

my first "nice" car was an '88 Accord 3dr LXi. At the time it felt like it would last forever.

neon4891
neon4891 MegaDork
8/20/15 8:17 a.m.

Oh, you have an LX-I then. Those had 10 more HP when new.

tuna55
tuna55 MegaDork
8/20/15 8:20 a.m.
neon4891 wrote: Oh, you have an LX-I then. Those had 10 more HP when new.

122HP boy! Yeehaw!

Klayfish
Klayfish UltraDork
8/20/15 8:33 a.m.

So sad, I seriously miss my Leaf. There are a bajillion of them here in Atlanta, so I see them all the time. It's rare, but every once in a while I come across one that was exactly my color and trim (blue SL). I would about kill for an affordable EV that can comfortably make a 110 mile daily round trip. I know that day isn't far away, I'm keeping my eyes open. Everything you said about the car is spot on. Fun at 5/10ths or less, awesome at peaceful commuting after a rough day. One foot driving is also a fun game.

tuna55
tuna55 MegaDork
8/20/15 8:45 a.m.
Klayfish wrote: So sad, I seriously miss my Leaf. There are a bajillion of them here in Atlanta, so I see them all the time. It's rare, but every once in a while I come across one that was exactly my color and trim (blue SL). I would about kill for an affordable EV that can comfortably make a 110 mile daily round trip. I know that day isn't far away, I'm keeping my eyes open. Everything you said about the car is spot on. Fun at 5/10ths or less, awesome at peaceful commuting after a rough day. One foot driving is also a fun game.

My wife said, regarding that same sadness, "I am sure that this won't be the last electric car that we have".

Honestly, what I can't wait for is a Volt style minivan, where 95% of the time I'm using batteries with a 50-100 mile range and there is an engine for long trips. This would make the perfect pickup truck, too, and would allow extra power boost for towing and such.

I know CARB is pushing for only electrics sold in 2020, and everyone already knows how I feel about that politically, but it will necessarily result in many choices.

Kreb
Kreb UltraDork
8/20/15 10:00 a.m.

I rented a leaf and thought it was a resolutely dull car with a great drivetrain. I'd love to see Nissan come up with a sport version with supportive seats and a properly set up suspension. It'd be a very strong autocross performer. Years ago I knew a guy with a first generation insight with a bit of suspension work and Hoosier slicks on it. The thing was quite formidable at an autocross.

Klayfish
Klayfish UltraDork
8/20/15 11:19 a.m.
tuna55 wrote:
Klayfish wrote: So sad, I seriously miss my Leaf. There are a bajillion of them here in Atlanta, so I see them all the time. It's rare, but every once in a while I come across one that was exactly my color and trim (blue SL). I would about kill for an affordable EV that can comfortably make a 110 mile daily round trip. I know that day isn't far away, I'm keeping my eyes open. Everything you said about the car is spot on. Fun at 5/10ths or less, awesome at peaceful commuting after a rough day. One foot driving is also a fun game.
My wife said, regarding that same sadness, "I am sure that this won't be the last electric car that we have". Honestly, what I can't wait for is a Volt style minivan, where 95% of the time I'm using batteries with a 50-100 mile range and there is an engine for long trips. This would make the perfect pickup truck, too, and would allow extra power boost for towing and such. I know CARB is pushing for only electrics sold in 2020, and everyone already knows how I feel about that politically, but it will necessarily result in many choices.

Oh hell yes. I'll be right there in line. Nissan is apparently going to bring an electric NV200 to the US...

http://www.caranddriver.com/news/nissan-e-nv200-electric-van-photos-and-info-news

HiTempguy
HiTempguy PowerDork
8/20/15 11:45 a.m.

Wait, did I miss the reasoning for going back 30 years in time to the 80's for a vehicle?

Did the end of the Leaf lease also count as the countdown to being teleported back to save John Conner?

tuna55
tuna55 MegaDork
8/20/15 1:51 p.m.
HiTempguy wrote: Wait, did I miss the reasoning for going back 30 years in time to the 80's for a vehicle? Did the end of the Leaf lease also count as the countdown to being teleported back to save John Conner?

R$e$a$s$o$n$i$n$g is $$$imple.

I transported my two eldest kids back and forth to school, which was 97% of the way to work, with me every single day. I needed perfect reliability and safety.

Now they are homeschooled. I need to get me around. Creature comforts, reliability and safety are not important for the life of yours truly. At least Not at that co$t.

$243/month + $20-$30 to charge + $600 annual taxes for the Leaf

$1020 (so far, admittedly) + $75 to fuel + $27 annual taxes for Cattywampus

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