It used to be:
Front-engined car
Rear-engined car
Mid-engined car
Then they threw in:
Front mid-engined car
Let's just call it 4 categories instead of taking the last one and trying to morph it with one of the first three.
Kinda like the whole relations thing. It used to be heteros and gays. Now you have trans and who knows what else.
What, Porsche? Cool car, huh?
As far as I know all of the front engined cars have the motor pushed back as far as they can get away with so I just see Porsche doing the same thing. I did read that Porsche has said there will not be a road version of the RSR.
So guys, what makes a hatchback? 
Porsche really should make all 911s mid-engined. Maybe this race car is a portent of things to come.
jstein77 wrote: Porsche really should make all 911s mid-engined. Maybe this race car is a portent of things to come.
I hope they don't, then I might want a Porsche, and we all know that Porsche fandom is the flesh-eating variant of the gearhead disease 
In reply to jstein77:
Porsche sells more rear engined cars than mid engined cars, so I don't foresee them making the 911 mid engined any time soon...Nor would I want them to.
Well, if you can resist buying a Cayman now, then your willpower should be strong enough.
People keep harping on about the Ford GT. But the race version of the GT is the closest to production of any of its competition. It uses the same body, Chassis, engine, trans suspension geometry in the road car as the race car. The Porsche and Ferrari have been much further removed from the production cars for some time now.
I have no issue with the mid engined 911, you will be able to buy one. No, it's not going to be the same as a 'basic' $100K 911 daily driver, but if you want to race one Porsche will sell you one. I think the GTLM cars have sort of become what the Group C cars were in the 80's. If you're a rich privateer you can go buy a Porsche, Ferrari, Ford, Aston, whatever GTLM can and run it in GT racing and LeMans. Back in the 80's you could buy a production Porsche 962, March, Spice, Tiga whatever and run it. I've done it before, but today’s GTLM cars are similar (inflation adjusted) to what a Group C car was 30 years ago. It's the top echelons that have gone stratospheric on costs.
Kreb wrote: It used to be: Front-engined car Rear-engined car Mid-engined car Then they threw in: Front mid-engined car Let's just call it 4 categories instead of taking the last one and trying to morph it with one of the first three. Kinda like the whole relations thing. It used to be heteros and gays. Now you have trans and who knows what else. What, Porsche? Cool car, huh?
So, what yer sayin is, it goes: LGTBQCorvette
WildScotsRacing wrote: So, what yer sayin is, it goes: LGTBQCorvette
Well, Corvettes have had identity issues for decades 
jstein77 wrote: Porsche really should make all 911s mid-engined. Maybe this race car is a portent of things to come.
That would make keeping the rear seats nearly impossible, which was the real reason for the design of the 911:
At least according to Sam Livingstone, but logically it makes some sense.
mazdeuce wrote: They just need homologation rules again. Or more strict ones.
The problem with strict homologation rules is some factory cars respond better to race prep than others. Then you end up with constantly changing "equalization" changes as they attempt to keep the cars relatively competitive with each other.
Besides... if you want to run a converted street car, there are lower classes to play in.
In a way, this sounds like GTLM has become a true "prototype" class. Cars that push the boundaries of existing street cars. If it works, the changes may trickle down to production cars. Isn't that what we all want?
mazdeuce wrote: They just need homologation rules again. Or more strict ones.
The FIA has 4 classes of different levels. GT1 to GT4, and all of them have different degree of what's a allowed or not. It just happens that GT2 is basically what GTLM is. Not exactly, but close.
Besides, FOCA has a VERY large GT field with this rule set. Seems like it's a good thing right now.
In reply to alfadriver: What org is FOCA, other than Formula One Constructors Association?
Stefan wrote:jstein77 wrote: Porsche really should make all 911s mid-engined. Maybe this race car is a portent of things to come.That would make keeping the rear seats nearly impossible, which was the real reason for the design of the 911: Petrolicious Journal At least according to Sam Livingstone, but logically it makes some sense.
Yes, but how many people really use the rear seats in a 911? I, in fact, did not realize a 911 even had rear seats. Admittedly, I am not really a Porsche guy
NickD wrote:Stefan wrote:Yes, but how many people really use the rear seats in a 911? I, in fact, did not realize a 911 even had rear seats. Admittedly, I am not really a Porsche guyjstein77 wrote: Porsche really should make all 911s mid-engined. Maybe this race car is a portent of things to come.That would make keeping the rear seats nearly impossible, which was the real reason for the design of the 911: Petrolicious Journal At least according to Sam Livingstone, but logically it makes some sense.
From what I've seen at some of the Porsche Club gatherings, more than you might initially think.
Stefan wrote:NickD wrote: Yes, but how many people really use the rear seats in a 911? I, in fact, did not realize a 911 even had rear seats. Admittedly, I am not really a Porsche guyFrom what I've seen at some of the Porsche Club gatherings, more than you might initially think.
I see a lot of kids folded in half and inserted in the rear of 911's Also small kids in Porsche child seats too. There are a lot of short people in this world!!!
NickD wrote: Yes, but how many people really use the rear seats in a 911?
For many Porsche owners with children (or grandchildren) it can be surprisingly often, and important to them.
Okay, I stand corrected. Like I said, not a fan of Porsches and don't pay attention to them. Just had never personally seen anyone use the rear seats
Adrian_Thompson wrote:Stefan wrote:I see a lot of kids folded in half and inserted in the rear of 911's Also small kids in Porsche child seats too. There are a lot of short people in this world!!!NickD wrote: Yes, but how many people really use the rear seats in a 911? I, in fact, did not realize a 911 even had rear seats. Admittedly, I am not really a Porsche guyFrom what I've seen at some of the Porsche Club gatherings, more than you might initially think.
Wait, there are Porsche child seats? Oh man. That'll make it so much easier to talk the wife into.
I've been folded into those back seats once... Being 5'9" and short-legged, it's downright painful. I was folded enough to keep my head off the roof (convertible, top up) that I had stomach cramps by the end of the 12 minute drive.
Knurled wrote:Matt B wrote: Well, they finally caved.It took them long enough to abandon the pretense of air cooling, and now this. Maybe at some point they will put the ignition lock cylinder on the right side of the steering column? Although I suppose push button start/smart fobs render that moot. Serious question: Do any newer Porschen have smart fobs and keyless start, and if so, is the button on the left?
New Porsche models with "comfort access" or whatever still have ignition on the left side, but it isn't a button...its a weird blob sticking out of the dash that you have to turn. Very bizarre choice on their part, IMO. Thankfully, my car doesn't have such frippery.
rslifkin wrote: ...convertible, top up...
Well, there's your problem.
Driven5 wrote:rslifkin wrote: ...convertible, top up...Well, there's your problem.
That problem was caused by 35* weather and snow flurries 
My kids ride in back and extra seats are a big reason we own a 911 instead of a Corvette or a Cayman.
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