Why are used Scions 15% cheaper than the Subie version? (In Denver anyway....)
Rog
Why are used Scions 15% cheaper than the Subie version? (In Denver anyway....)
Rog
In reply to emodspitfire:
Because they have at least a 5-1 advantage in production? Or something like that. Oh, and subaru owners tend to be extremist fanbois.
The Subies are 'nicer' inside. Or they feel like it to me anyway.
Because most adults don't want to tell their friends that they drive a Scion, for fear that said friends will think they drive an box-like-thing or a tC teenage-girl-mobile.
Whereas adults don't mind telling friends they drive a Subaru, since said friends will just assume they are either a Pro rally driver or a Lesbian.
see? makes perfect sense 
yamaha wrote: In reply to emodspitfire: Because they have at least a 5-1 advantage in production? Or something like that. Oh, and subaru owners tend to be extremist fanbois.
Probably this. They limited BR-Z production to something like 6000 in the first year (maybe every year?), while Scion production was kinda like that chocolate factory scene from I Love Lucy.
The BR-Z is supposed to handle a lot better, too.
In reply to Knurled:
I don't see how unless they sneaked non-low rolling resistance tires onto the car for car rag tests......
yamaha wrote: In reply to Knurled: I don't see how unless they sneaked non-low rolling resistance tires onto the car for car rag tests......
Ever so slightly different spring rates is the only thing that I have ever seen that differentiates them. Though the BRZ comes in a pretty kick butt blue color.
wearymicrobe wrote:yamaha wrote: In reply to Knurled: I don't see how unless they sneaked non-low rolling resistance tires onto the car for car rag tests......Ever so slightly different spring rates is the only thing that I have ever seen that differentiates them. Though the BRZ comes in a pretty kick butt blue color.
That's the thing that I keep hearing. Specifically the Scion is softer in the nose and stiffer in the tail, leading to an unbalanced car that is tail-happy for people who are afraid of using the brakes.
Of course, I'm sure you could find BR-Z suspension takeoffs in that 15% window.
What are are they selling for in your area? In Ohio they are still 21 k anyways for even the FRS.,.
From the dealer, the BRZ was more expensive than the FRS. In some cases nearing 10% depending on options. All things being equal, I would expect the price difference to remain upon resale. In Denver, there's probably also the name recognition of Subaru driving up the price a bit.
The scion has different suspension setings (more oversteer stock). Seems from a grassroots perspective, the scion wins.
Not sure it justifies a 15% difference, but the BRZ does have a nicer interior material wise and if I remember correctly spec wise. The front fascia on the FRS also doesn't look as good to me as the BRZ version. The FRS front has more of a tuner car look and the BRZ is a little more mature in my opinion.
By me the Scion lot is flooded with FRSs and the Subaru dealer usually has one or two. When I talked to the Subarau dealer last year they weren't willing to budge on price since they were very limited to how many cars they could get in.
We have the opposite problem around here. You can get a BRZ for under MSRP where the Scion dealer still thinks the are worth well over sticker. The Subaru dealer sells them by the truck loads where the FRS's barely move. However used the FRS is 20k or below for a 2013. They are depreciating rapidly, which might be good if you want one to race. 
racerdave600 wrote: We have the opposite problem around here. You can get a BRZ for under MSRP where the Scion dealer still thinks the are worth well over sticker. The Subaru dealer sells them by the truck loads where the FRS's barely move. However used the FRS is 20k or below for a 2013. They are depreciating rapidly, which might be good if you want one to race.
I need one of the twins to hit 17 or 18 K, and then I might jump for one with really low miles, methinks.
irish44j wrote: Because most adults don't want to tell their friends that they drive a Scion, for fear that said friends will think they drive an box-like-thing or a tC teenage-girl-mobile. Whereas adults don't mind telling friends they drive a Subaru, since said friends will just assume they are either a Pro rally driver or a Lesbian. see? makes perfect sense
THIS
For better or worse, the Scion brand is what you drive before you grow up. Toyota either forgot, or did not ralize that "Hip" quickly turns to "Hoakey" in today's world. With Scion, they are stuck with Hoakey as a brand image.
The car itself is great in many respects.
How much can these cost? 
"The BR-Z is supposed to handle a lot better, too"
Not accurate--- Subaru dailed in more understeer into the BRZ, as their customer base are familiar with awd cars that understeer from the factory. As was said above, the FR-S is more neutral and will oversteer if prodded.
I prefer the FR-S suspension tuning from the factory, but as has been said, the BRZ does have richer materials inside. I also prefer the FR-S styling, as I'm not a fan of the boy-racer wing the BRZ has. They are both so similar though, it doesn't really matter. Get the best deal, and modify to suit your taste.
They are both great cars--- I've been seeing more and more of them, which is a great sign!
The BR-Z comes stock with a touchscreen Navigation system, which is an $1,800 option on the FR-S. I think that is a big reason for the price difference. I'm not saying that's justified, though. Although I love the clean look of a nicely-installed in-dash nav system, the fact that I can get a nice Garmin for an order of magnitude less than that makes me wonder why automobile manufacturers still charge so much for in-dash satnav.
I need a new DD soon, one that I can keep for 200K miles or so, and I'm seriously looking at the Toyobaruion FR86ZBRGTS.
Other than the fuel pump sjhirping issues, I have not ehard anything negative about these cars reliability wise. 200K seems like a fair bet.
Both are good looking cars with useless back seats and not enough power.
15% more is a lot to pay to be a lesbian.
What do you guys mean about the BRZ having a nicer interior? Is there less hard plastic or what?
Appleseed wrote: 15% more is a lot to pay to be a lesbian.
I drive a green forester with cat/dog rescue stickers on the back I disappoint so many women in my Subaru.
The Scion is $1000 cheaper and better looking.
1966stang wrote: Other than the fuel pump sjhirping issues, I have not ehard anything negative about these cars reliability wise. 200K seems like a fair bet.
Points to ponder: Windows don't work in winter Stupid torque curve has a big dip Gearboxes are not looking to be long lived and let you know that they hate the cold by grunching into gear. If you live on a gravel road, don't buy this car. Insulation of ANY sort was left off the build sheet in order to meet the weight requirement. The front of the FRS is ugly. Two bag ugly. Subaru might be a three bagger. The driving experience is enough to make you forgive all of the above.
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