In reply to Woody (Forum Supportum) :
It would be nice to have in traffic but honestly since it's just me I could manage.
In reply to Woody (Forum Supportum) :
It would be nice to have in traffic but honestly since it's just me I could manage.
pointofdeparture said:In reply to Wally (Forum Supporter) :
It comes with the stock wheels too according to the listing, so an easy enough thing to rectify...just sell the black wheels and put the money into new tires for the stockers.
Or, based on some quick research, selling the wheels should cover about half the cost of replacing the wood trim with something better looking.
listen to pointofdeparture, he's absolutely correct in saying you're buying the previous owner, not the car. So that means trying to buy one from a private owner so you can really get an idea of how they cared for the car and look at service records. Nothing will empty your wallet faster than a neglected, older german car...
docwyte said:Nothing will empty your wallet faster than a neglected, older german car...
Quote for truth.
Although neglected, older Italian car comes close.
In reply to dps214 :
The aftermarket wheels offend me more than the wood trim, but I've also hit my head more than a few times in my life and generally like the pre-facelift 996 styling. 
In reply to pointofdeparture :
Neither of them bother me that much that I have to fix them right away. If I like it enough that it becomes a keeper I can worry about it then.
In reply to Wally (Forum Supporter) :
It comes with the stock wheels too! Buy it!!
996s are criminally under-rated. That's a good thing for us! If I were looking (and, I'm always looking, but never seriously) I'd also consider an early Cayman . . . maybe not even an S.
In reply to ZOO (Forum Supporter) :
Not to derail but from everything I have read the "perfect" grassroots Porsche is the 987.2 Cayman/Boxster non-S.
They have all the significant technical fixes Porsche introduced with the 9A1 engine (eliminated IMS, improved oiling, redesigned water pump, etc) but don't have the problematic direct injection of the S models and are generally understressed by comparison, so they are almost completely bulletproof.
Porsche didn't make that many as they came out right after the global recession hit (2009) but they are a great buy if you can find a deal on one.
This thread is strangely close to what I'm thinking about with a slight twist. In the next couple of years I plan on replacing both my cars. I love the Boxster, but it was/will never be a good one. Poverty spec 99 with an auto with less than perfect aesthetics, but I love how it drives. Much as I think Boxsters are better sports cars than 911's, I'll be looking for a 911 next time round for one specific reason. The vestigial back seats. We have two dogs, one is a Samoyed puppy who will be circa 50lb's when grown. I want to be able to carry two dogs with us for weekends etc. and that's impossible with a Boxster. While the Boxster is an occasional toy, I want the 911 to be a 'If it's not raining or snowing daily'. So, I specifically want a drop top, a Targa may be OK, but coupes with or without sunroof are off the table. I'm two-three pedal ambivalent and would love a PDK if affordable.
My dilemma: I'm wondering if I'd be better off with a NA 997.2 or a turbo 996. assuming prices come down from the current pandemic/chip shortage high my budget is probably $40k max. Thoughts?
In reply to Adrian_Thompson (Forum Supporter) :
If long term running costs and interior pleasantness are important you want the 997.2. If you just want to go fast, all else be damned, go for the 996T. Yes, the Mezger engine avoids a lot of the silly M96 foibles, but they have their own expensive required care and feeding. Were it me, I'd go for the 997.2.
In reply to Adrian_Thompson (Forum Supporter) :
IIRC the pretend rear seats in the drop top are smaller than the one in the coupe to accommodate the tray the roof folds into. Don't know about the targa - I'd check if the seats in those are the same as the coupe.
I like the 80s cars. Have a read: https://www.dmarge.com/porsche-911-buyers-guide
Anything in our Your First Porsche article scratch that itch?
Adrian_Thompson (Forum Supporter) said:This thread is strangely close to what I'm thinking about with a slight twist. In the next couple of years I plan on replacing both my cars. I love the Boxster, but it was/will never be a good one. Poverty spec 99 with an auto with less than perfect aesthetics, but I love how it drives. Much as I think Boxsters are better sports cars than 911's, I'll be looking for a 911 next time round for one specific reason. The vestigial back seats. We have two dogs, one is a Samoyed puppy who will be circa 50lb's when grown. I want to be able to carry two dogs with us for weekends etc. and that's impossible with a Boxster. While the Boxster is an occasional toy, I want the 911 to be a 'If it's not raining or snowing daily'. So, I specifically want a drop top, a Targa may be OK, but coupes with or without sunroof are off the table. I'm two-three pedal ambivalent and would love a PDK if affordable.
My dilemma: I'm wondering if I'd be better off with a NA 997.2 or a turbo 996. assuming prices come down from the current pandemic/chip shortage high my budget is probably $40k max. Thoughts?
Honestly I think it's way more likely that a 997.2 will hit your budget than a 996T. Especially since you're willing to have a PDK. The 996T drivetrain is awesome but other than that the 997.2 is just a nicer car.
In reply to David S. Wallens :
It may have been what started this round of should I get a Porsche. The problem I'm having is the only one I'm interested in is a 911, and the 996 is most likely in the one in my budget.
If you're seeking "The 911 Experience", I think that kind of goes away after the air cooled cars.
If you just want "The Porsche Experience" (and based on what you've described as your goals for this car), I would suggest starting with a $12,000-ish Boxster.
Start here:
In reply to Javelin (Forum Supporter) :
I'm trying
And based upon zero research on my part, I truly believe that you could enjoy the crap out of a Carmax Macan on a trip to Texas and back.
In reply to Woody (Forum Supportum) :
I'm not entirely sure what I'm looking for, I really haven't given it a whole lot of thought. I bid on the blue one because it's close to the number in my head, but if I think about it too much I could end up with something else or nothing at all.
In reply to Woody (Forum Supportum) :
If I wasn't irrationally attached to the Jeep I'd trade it for a Macan today but I can't get rid of it yet.
In reply to Wally (Forum Supporter) :
The twelve way power seats are amazing.
Thanks for all the input on the 997.2 Vs 996tt. What are the hidden costs of 996tt ownership?
My honest preference would be PDK > Manual > traditional auto, but I"m open to all of them. The PDK's seem to be crazy reliable from what I can gather, although I happen to know personally of one Cayman PDK owner (former colleague) who had the PDK crap out and need a new box, luckily it was under warranty for him, I hate to think what the cost would have been otherwise. What does a clutch change cost on a PDK?
David S. Wallens said:Anything in our Your First Porsche article scratch that itch?
Funny aside before I answer that. I still have your original first time Porsche article where you used $10K as the price point. BAck than you listed late non S Long hoods as your 911 choice sub $10k as they were cheaper than a nice SC or Carrera, that was a long time ago!
Yes I read your article, but I disagree with several of your recommendations. As much as a PIA the earlier single and double row IMS bearings are, at least they are serviceable. Any car with the non replaceable RMS without splitting the car is off the list for me, which discounts two of your pics, the 997.1 and 987.1. I can and will stomach a car which either means a trans out DIY repair or a $3ish K service at shop. I'm not buying a car that needs an engine out and disassembly to fix a known non rare issue.
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