STM317 said:MR2s don't meet the "back seat" criteria.
Spend the 20 grand you saved on an immaculate 600 whp is300, put 10 in the bank = solved. :-p'
or option 2, buy a $30k is-f
STM317 said:MR2s don't meet the "back seat" criteria.
Spend the 20 grand you saved on an immaculate 600 whp is300, put 10 in the bank = solved. :-p'
or option 2, buy a $30k is-f
In reply to Carbon :
Man, I always forget about the IS-F!
Also, because nobody has said it yet, Chevy SS could accommodate growing kids a whole lot better than just about any of these 2+2s that have been mentioned so far. And it would blend into traffic with the best of them, which I find appealing.
STM317 said:In reply to Carbon :
Also, because nobody has said it yet, Chevy SS could accommodate growing kids a whole lot better than just about any of these 2+2s that have been mentioned so far. And it would blend into traffic with the best of them, which I find appealing.
This is a great idea. I think these things are going to end up holding their value well. Total sleeper, but effectively a 4 door Corvette.
dyintorace said:STM317 said:In reply to Carbon :
Also, because nobody has said it yet, Chevy SS could accommodate growing kids a whole lot better than just about any of these 2+2s that have been mentioned so far. And it would blend into traffic with the best of them, which I find appealing.
This is a great idea. I think these things are going to end up holding their value well. Total sleeper, but effectively a 4 door Corvette.
SS is ugly. And it's German 4 door muscle car competitors look way better inside and out.
CTS-V?
Is-f might be a strong investment car too, how much is the first M car worth nowadays? We'll see.
Drove the 1M today. Interesting car. Decent fit and finish but clearly built to a price line. Lots more plastic surfaces than I expected to see.
Very high limits, wasn't really able to get much of a feel for the car on the street. Nose points very well, lots of mechanical grip. Torque! Had the "soft" OTS Cobb tune in it and it pulled really well.
I know they're a lot of money for the performance, but so was the E30 M3. They're the same, cult car type of car. The 1M will not depreciate the way a 135 will and will arguably appreciate. This particular 1M is a hard one to peg a value on as it was used as a car for awhile. It has close to 50k miles on it and some of the user interfaces are showing that kind of wear. Steering wheel, shift knob, drivers side outside seat bolsters.
Most of the 1M's I see cross the block on BaT are low mileage examples that sell for mid $60's. 20-30k mile 1M's sell for mid $50k's. This car is $46k bone stock, although there are some mods I'd want to stay on the car like the Cobb tune/AP. Seems a little high given the mileage and wear, but looking at the market, I'm not so sure. I suspect if it gets listed on the open market at $46k it'll get snapped up quickly.
Big thing is, while I liked the car, it didn't have the hooligan, special nature I sort of expected. Granted I didn't have the traction control totally turned off and I wasn't pushing the car overly hard on the tight, blind corner road I didn't know. So it could come alive on the track.
I may have found a 996 Turbo locally, I'm hoping to drive it in the next day or so, then make a decision between the two...
From my limited experience, neither the 1M nor the 996TT are really thrilling to drive. The 1M feels like a hot hatch: cheap interior with a tarted-up, “parts bin special” vibe. And the 996TT feels like a grand tourer.
You may not like STI/Evo type cars, but the Evo VIII and IX really do feel special. I recently came across a federalized R33 Skyline GTS-T for sale for (I think) $15k. You won’t see many of those around. And there are a few R32 GTRs available now that they’re 25 years old. That’s a genuine homologation special, which is always extra cool in my book
If you want German cars, I’d definitely look into the E90/92 M3. Is there anything a 1M can do that a V8 M3 doesn’t do better (and for half the price)?
yupididit said:dyintorace said:STM317 said:In reply to Carbon :
Also, because nobody has said it yet, Chevy SS could accommodate growing kids a whole lot better than just about any of these 2+2s that have been mentioned so far. And it would blend into traffic with the best of them, which I find appealing.
This is a great idea. I think these things are going to end up holding their value well. Total sleeper, but effectively a 4 door Corvette.
SS is ugly. And it's German 4 door muscle car competitors look way better inside and out.
Sure, but if you want a manual trans, then there are no German competitors...and the German stuff had MSRPs way higher than the SS
Yep, even though I have a 135i, the 1 series is the budget BMW. It was sold in Europe for years before it was brought to the states.
The 1M is overpriced for what it is, to me. It still has the same heat issues as the regular 1 series on track, as far as I know.
Another vote for the e92 M3. You should at least drive one.
If you plan on keeping the car at least 5 years, you probably will be able to sell it for the same money you bought it for.
By the way, in terms of value, both the 1M and especially the 996TT are sure to increase in value. But if you’re buying them as “investments,” then you really need to keep the mileage low.
Since you’re looking for a car to use everyday, take out to the track, maybe modify a bit, etc. then you really don’t want to have to think too much about “preserving” the car to hold value.
I have driven many, many cars on track and the E92 M3 is one of the very few recent cars that got my highest praise. I put it up there with my E36 M3, 911, C5 Corvette track triumvirate. And that was a SMG II car.
Vigo said:If you want a 911, there's no substitute. If you're cross-shopping German performance cars, I think you get more for the money with BMW.
Well, that might stand up if you're talking about BMWs other than the 1m, but a lightly modded 996 Carrera or a bone stock 997 is faster around a track than a 1M and cost much less.
Totally agree, but he's cross-shopping 996TT. A 996 or E9x M3 would be my pick for $20k less than a nice 996TT. With Porsche Classic now subsidizing M96 engines, some of the 996 fear factor is abated. (M96s shortblocks are now available again from Porsche for ~$6k. Still a chunk of change, but it used to be much higher. )
Congrats, Docwyte. No trouble selling that M3 and now you get to go on the hunt!
In reply to LanEvo :
Well, the 1M does a few things better than an E90/92 M3. First one is I don't like the way the E92 M3 looks, I actually like the 4 door E90 better looks wise.
But the biggest thing is I'm up at altitude, so that V8 in the M3 really feels gutless, especially since it's a rev-ver not a torque monster motor. I've driven E90 M3's before and they're nice but I was particularly underwhelmed by the power of them up here.
I'm not going to be using the car as my daily driver as I have my SUV and my motorcycle too. I'll maybe be putting 3-4000 miles on it a year. So if I bought a low mileage 1M, yeah, I'd destroy the value of it but on this 50k mile example, probably not.
Are the E90 M3's really in the low $20k's now?
Don't forget about the M2!
It's more upscale than the 1M, and a new one (with warranty) will run you about the same as the 1M. You won't have the rarity factor with the 1M, but with any newer BMW, I'd want the piece of mind of a warranty.
The 1M is a very rare car, and they will appreciate. They'll always be "special" cars, but from a pure driving / packaging standpoint, you'd get more bang for the buck out of an E92 M3, or a new M2. Beware with the V8 M3 though. They sound fantastic, make decent power-- high in the rpm range, but the gas mileage is horrid----- like 1970 Big Block Chevy bad!
docwyte said:In reply to LanEvo :
Well, the 1M does a few things better than an E90/92 M3. First one is I don't like the way the E92 M3 looks, I actually like the 4 door E90 better looks wise.
But the biggest thing is I'm up at altitude, so that V8 in the M3 really feels gutless, especially since it's a rev-ver not a torque monster motor. I've driven E90 M3's before and they're nice but I was particularly underwhelmed by the power of them up here.
I'm not going to be using the car as my daily driver as I have my SUV and my motorcycle too. I'll maybe be putting 3-4000 miles on it a year. So if I bought a low mileage 1M, yeah, I'd destroy the value of it but on this 50k mile example, probably not.
Are the E90 M3's really in the low $20k's now?
High mileage ratty ones are, yes.
I was looking back in December/January before I picked up the 135. A clean, low mileage 1 owner car with all the options was more like $33-37k asking price.
I paid 23k for the 135, but only 26k miles, all options, DCT.
2008 e90 with 60k miles - $23.9k asking
At your 3-4k miles a year, you can most likely sell this car in 4 years and not lose much if anything.
I've driven an E85 Z4 M roadster belonging to a friend of mine and was distinctly underwhelmed. It didn't feel special at all. I haven't driven the coupe though.
The M engine lives from 6,000 to 7900, but unless you run it in that range you might as well be driving a 3.0 with almost 100 bhp less.
I'm going to throw the Z/28 in once again. That really seems like a special car for the money.
wspohn said:I've driven an E85 Z4 M roadster belonging to a friend of mine and was distinctly underwhelmed. It didn't feel special at all. I haven't driven the coupe though.
The M engine lives from 6,000 to 7900, but unless you run it in that range you might as well be driving a 3.0 with almost 100 bhp less.
I own an RX-7, so yes, I'm familiar with how to wring an engine out. :)
It's possible that the specific example I drove was just beat up and worn. It did have a fair number of miles on it, although cosmetically it looked fairly new.
In reply to codrus :
The one I drove was modded and had a tune. So maybe the stock one's are underwhelming?
911? I thought you wanted to haul your kids. Are they double amputees?
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