mrdontplay
mrdontplay Reader
4/8/09 10:08 p.m.

Was there any T5 that had a cable clutch?

btp76
btp76 New Reader
4/8/09 10:13 p.m.

All the fox body mustangs

mrdontplay
mrdontplay Reader
4/8/09 10:17 p.m.

Need one that bolts to a 60 degree V6

P71
P71 Dork
4/8/09 10:34 p.m.

All V6 fox and SN95 and New Edge Mustangs with T5's...

ReverendDexter
ReverendDexter Reader
4/8/09 10:38 p.m.
btp76 wrote: All the fox body mustangs

For the moderately Mustang savvy, the fox chassis technically is '79-'04. SN95s were STILL fox chassis cars.

And, yes, all fox chassis cars with manuals are cable clutch.

mrdontplay
mrdontplay Reader
4/8/09 10:52 p.m.

Is there a way to bolt them to a GM 2.8?

ReverendDexter
ReverendDexter Reader
4/8/09 11:25 p.m.
mrdontplay wrote: Is there a way to bolt them to a GM 2.8?

I'm sure there is, considering that GM also used the T5 in the Camaro. I'd assume it would be as simple as getting the Camaro 2.8L bellhousing, and the Mustang clutch stuffs.

Spline count might bite you in the ass, though.

P71
P71 Dork
4/9/09 8:52 a.m.

Not entirely true. The Thunderbird and Cougar were fox chassis for awhile and the 87-88 Turbo Coupe used a hydraulic clutch setup. All other fox-chassis manuals were cable clutch including the 83-86 Turbo Coupe.

Fox is 79-93 Mustang, the slightly revised SN95 94-98 Mustang, and the New Edge 99-04 Mustang, plus the Fairmont/Futura/etc, and the extended length fox on the 80-82 Thunderbird and Cougar and again for 83-88 Thunderbird and Cougar, and the Lincoln Mark VII.

P71
P71 Dork
4/9/09 8:54 a.m.

Oh, why not just use the Camaro V6 T5 including hydraulic clutch? It's not that hard to convert cable pedals to the hydraulic unit.

mrdontplay
mrdontplay Reader
4/9/09 9:06 a.m.

I wanted to use an S10 T5. I was just seeing if there was an easier way. I don't know how to convert it and I really don't want to pay someone else to do it.

aussiesmg
aussiesmg Dork
4/9/09 8:43 p.m.

Cable clutches have inherent problems, they break frequently which is why most Mustang guys change those to hydraulic.

My S10 has a hydraulic set up for the T5.

Shortcutsleeping
Shortcutsleeping New Reader
4/9/09 10:34 p.m.

What transmission used does not really matter. The key is having a bellhousing that will bolt to your desired engine and provide a mount for your desired transmission while having an external actuator. Now, the actuator can be a bolt-on slave unit for a hydraulic setup, can be an arm mount for a mechanical lever type or a cable mount for a cable operated unit.

So, you have a gm 2.8v6 and you want to use a t5. Regardless of a WC F-body t5 or an s10 t5 (or a saginaw or a muncie or a t10, etc etc) the actuator type on the bellhousing is the key. All those transmissions will bolt up to the same mount pattern...but the key here is what vehicle you are putting it into and what setup is in that vehicle.

So...more info.

  1. what vehicle?
  2. does it have a clutch cable now?

Costas

cars and such...

mrdontplay
mrdontplay Reader
4/9/09 10:50 p.m.

Chevette, it has a cable clutch

Trans_Maro
Trans_Maro Reader
4/9/09 11:56 p.m.

The T-5 from the f-body has a angled mounting in some years which might cause some trouble. It also has the torque arm mounts which can cause trouble when using a shifter other than the original.

Don't forget, Ford T5's use a different pilot bearing and different centering ring for the bellhousing

Shawn

mrdontplay
mrdontplay Reader
4/10/09 4:49 p.m.

S10 would be the best for shifter location. How would I use a cable clutch?

Trans_Maro
Trans_Maro Reader
4/10/09 6:30 p.m.

Can you use a cable clutch fork froma Mustang T5 in the S-10 transmission?

Shawn

aussiesmg
aussiesmg Dork
4/10/09 7:30 p.m.

Seriously why cable, most people change these to hydraulic for a reason, just use the Camaro master and slave, by the way my S10 is a 350 with T5

Shortcutsleeping
Shortcutsleeping New Reader
4/10/09 7:43 p.m.

Monza bellhousing (1975-1980, also skyhawk, sunbird or starfire) has cable clutch provisions but I'm not certain of the 2.8 bellhousing pattern. Is it the same as a smallblock?

Costas

cars and such...

Trans_Maro
Trans_Maro Reader
4/10/09 8:03 p.m.

No, it had the 60deg V6 pattern.

Shawn

ww
ww SuperDork
4/10/09 8:22 p.m.

Here's a list of all T5 applications from the beginning through 1999.

http://www.kamikazeracing.org/dl/ZTech/BorgWarnerT5-applications.txt

Good luck!

Shortcutsleeping
Shortcutsleeping New Reader
4/10/09 10:33 p.m.

is the 60 deg v6 pattern the same as a buick v6? I suspect not since the buick is a 90deg motor...but I have no idea.

Costas

cars and such...

Trans_Maro
Trans_Maro Reader
4/10/09 10:55 p.m.

No, Buick V6 is B.O.P. pattern, no relation to later GM products.

Shawn

wlkelley3
wlkelley3 HalfDork
4/11/09 7:37 p.m.

Early S-10 (like early 80's) use a cable operated clutch on the 5-speeds. Not sure if it's a T5 though. Popular upgrade on Opel GT's because of the cable operated clutch.

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