pres589 wrote: In reply to alfadriver: Bob Dole is from Kansas and represented the state in the US Senate, grew up out in Russel (same as Pennsylvania Senator Arlen Specter) where corn is very much not growing, but he may have had the corn lobby in mind all the same.
Sorry- my mistake. But I do know that Senator Dole was a major driver of Ethanol fuels. Not that it matters.
pres589 wrote: I don't know any "guy on the left" saying this is actually good. This is the corn lobby at work from what I can tell.
I was trying to be fair and balanced. 
In reply to dculberson:
Why? I'm not trying to turn this into a debate but being fair by lying isn't fair.
pres589 wrote: In reply to dculberson: Why? I'm not trying to turn this into a debate but being fair by lying isn't fair.
Notice the smiley. Calm down. I'm out.
alfadriver wrote:pres589 wrote: I wish all fuel was labeled like it used to be, E-10, E-15 etc. Now I only see that on E-85 pumps. It's hard to think this is being done as a benefit to me when I can't make a choice on my own.Right now, the law is anything under E10 is not labled, anything above is. In theory, when the new E15 law is applied (which I'm not sure of the date) than anything up to E15 wont be labled. BTW, few who do actual emissions think E(anything) is good. It's the corn growing states that push the E's. You can check the color of those states on your own, but Bob Dole (R- Iowa) was one of the major pushers of E10 originally. The only thing that is easily better with E10 or E15 is NOx. Other than that HC is higher, and you get new aldehides to deal with. Not horrible increase in anything, and it's not all that hard to have SULEV30 with E10.
not sure where that comes from ... at least here in NC all pumps that serve fuels that contain E10 are SUPPOSED to be labeled may contain up to 10% ethanol ... I say supposed to be labeled because while it's (or was if something has changed ) federal law about the label, it was/is up to the states to enforce ( and NC was one of the states that didn't enforce that law )
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In SC pretty much all pumps say "may conain up to 10%". If they sell non alcohol gas, they will have signs all over the place. I hope we never got to E15, becasue I think its a bullE36 M3 argument. At first I thought E10 was a great idea to reduce our consumption of foreign oil by 10%. Then it caused the prices of meat, poultry, eggs and milk to go up. Now, we are one of the leading producers. Alcohol from corn isn't the answer. Where the freak is all thiis switchgrass we hear so much about?
E10 labeling is required by law on all pumps in WA and OR too. Not sure where alfa is getting that info?
I know KS removed some labeling making it more opaque as to what you're buying.
pres589 wrote: ...grew up out in Russel (same as Pennsylvania Senator Arlen Specter)
Who I always felt was an unappreciated genius. I mean, not only did he invent the Single Bullet Theory, he produced some of the great records of the Sixties!
Ok, can't find any laws about pump lables except state by state. But there is a renewable fuel law, so most of the fuel sold in the US has some kind of alcohol in it.
It's not evil, or the work of the devil. But it's more sourced via mid-America corn states than other- even though the EPA background info has studies about life cycle CO2 for the additions.
It also looks as if the percentage that's "required" has a lot of variables, including production. So not to alter food production.
Ethel Alcohol in gasoline is nothing new- Gasahol has been around since the 70's. So IMHO, being robust to it is a choice.
alfadriver wrote: Right now, the law is anything under E10 is not labled, anything above is.
So what if it is E10? Serious question. Labeled or not?
Alfa is right.
Politics, and farming aside, the anti-ethanol hysteria is just that, and the small engine and marine guys are the worst offenders.
In reply to Zomby Woof:
Hysteria?
They find a cheaply made 15 year old failed rubber hose, that's been soaked in gasoline its whole life and so has dried out, and then blame it on the alcohol. Like gasoline isn't good enough at drying out rubber?
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