The wife and i are considering picking up a late model one (probably a 2016 or thereabouts) for the new family truckster. Any fatal flaws on these? Im reminded of their tranny issues they had back when. I assume thats fixed?
The wife and i are considering picking up a late model one (probably a 2016 or thereabouts) for the new family truckster. Any fatal flaws on these? Im reminded of their tranny issues they had back when. I assume thats fixed?
Tranny is fine now. My dad's 2014 has had a heck of a time with bad brake rotors but has otherwise been fine. They sell at a big premium to other vans due to their combination of safety and perceived/actual reliability.
We have a 2014. From new, a lot of these would creak and groan as you turn at low speeds, especially if you are going over a bump. As I recall the "fix" is to retorque the upper strut mount bolts and the nut on the strut shaft and to grease the exposed chrome strut shaft down to the shock tube in the wheel well.
This was the "warranty fix". It is also ok I guess if your struts are otherwise in good shape.
If you are even close to thinking that they are getting old, I'd look to see if the aftermarket has addressed the issue.
I'll say that they must have, but you know how that can go sometimes.
Nothing useful, except that my first thought was of the days when Honda Odysseys were more sporty and less refined.
We've had an 05 and now a 2010. We love em for family duty.
Hahaha. Duty.
I've seen a 2016 randomly kill the Trans with 8 miles on it at the dealership. Otherwise nothing bad to say and I'd still buy one.
We ran our ‘03 to 256k miles, and our ‘10 is currently at 153k. Honda’s cylinder deactivation strategy sucks a bag of dick, so google “VCMuzzler” for an aftermarket fix. We’ve never had tires last more than 45k, and halfshafts are only good for about 100k. Still, neither have left us stranded in 16 years.
We are a honda family
our oddyssey had 2 trans failures under warranty. 2014 model
never buying a honda v6+AT. The oddyssey is still 10 million times better in quality than our Tier 3 Mazda5.
Siennas only for us
My Odyssey had a lower ball joint failure while i was taking my family shopping and sent the LCA into the frozen pavement, the front wheel into the fender and the axle out into the open air with subsequent damage. After the repair bill for that one, replacing everything on both sides, i was left with a false sense of security...15 months later POP! LCA into the pavement again, wash, rinse, repeat. i won't own any H**da again.
In reply to Matt :
How many miles for each? And did I t have oem or ?? parts?
i specifically asked for OEM ball joints as i am familiar with the service life of the others. i bought the van used and it had extensive service records, the ball joints had not been replaced at 80K when it broke. less than 10k later it went again. i was more put off with the design that allows the LCA to dig into the ground upon failure with no warning. i have seen other H**nda's fail the same way, one just in the parking lot at Safeway. Thankfully both of mine let go at less than 15mph, i shutter to think what would have happened if it let go at highway speeds.
I had an 07. Nice car, but would not want to own another.
Definitely avoid VCM.
You can avoid VCM on the newer ones (our '05 EX doesn't have VCM as it's one of the lowest trim models), but as AngryCorvair said, definitely buy the VCMuzzler.
We had an '07. Bought it new, drove it 100K miles, the only thing it broke was the transmission interlock safety switch (would intermittently require putting it in neutral to start instead of park). It did need a CV axle when we sold it though, so I guess that counts too. The major transmission issues were fixed around 05, so there's a couple of golden years in there before the ring problems started in 09 or so.
We replaced it with a 2016 CX-9 because my wife wanted something smaller now that the kids had grown out of needing car seats, strollers, etc. If I needed another minivan I'd definitely buy another Honda.
Two big problems with the Siennas I've driven -- the ergonomics are terrible (nowhere to put my left foot) and the chassis is very numb compared to the Honda.
codrus said:
Two big problems with the Siennas I've driven -- the ergonomics are terrible (nowhere to put my left foot) and the chassis is very numb compared to the Honda.
My 06 Sienna has a very large dead pedal for my left foot. I haven't sat in the next generation Sienna, but I doubt they dropped the dead pedal.
They're solid, but expensive for for they are. The Deka version is the exact same for about 40-60% of the cost.
We have an ‘11. It’s almost as good as the Chrysler, except it’s not at all.
Ergonomics suck, cylinder deactivation eats engines, they suck for hauling anything other than people, turning radius is on par with a Carnival cruise ship, they eat rotors, they rust then Honda says they’ll fix it (3rd time rusty liftgate) then they decide not to, lack or torque, lack of stow n go.
The sound system is decent.
captdownshift said:They're solid, but expensive for for they are. The Deka version is the exact same for about 40-60% of the cost.
What is this Deka version of which you speak?
Between the transmission issues and the ring issues, I don't see why they hold their value so well. My wife bought a used 2005 Sienna and we couldn't be any happier at the moment. I don't find the ergonomics a problem at all. It handles about like I figured a van would. Better struts might tighten it up a bit. The brakes could stand to be better.
For the price of a 2016 Odyssey you can pick up a 2017 Sedona (which is what I did). Just sayin.
So this vcm issue is an engine damaging issue?
And what is the ring you are talking about?
In reply to gearheadmb :
Yes, it is an engine-damaging issue, and the rings we are talking about are the piston rings. I mis-spoke earlier. It wasn’t a recall, it was the outcome of a class-action lawsuit over excessive oil consumption on the VCM-equipped engines which led Honda to write the ring replacement TSB and to extend the warranty to 8 years from original in-service date, unlimited mileage. First symptom is oil-fouled Spark plugs on the cylinders that the VCM deactivates. My Ody was 3 months past 8 YIS but I had photos of the fouled plugs that I replaced 2 years / 35k earlier, so they goodwilled the full job.
05 Touring bought new with 4 young kids in the family.
Even had flames on it ... until my oldest son started high school. : )
Nowadays, I have to open the doors a minute before driving in order to let the air out on a hot day to release the aroma from innumerable spilled chocolate milk cartons over the years, but the engine still runs like a top at 235k miles and counting.
AC works so so, but no other major problems.
Personally, I would buy another one again in a heartbeat, however my wife would shoot me dead on the spot.
Oh yeah, the power sliding doors are slooooow and nearly impossible to open if the battery dies (think accident, you’re family is trapped), the doors freeze shut all winter, the blue tooth radio is the most maddening thing EVER!!
Gawd I hate that van.
Mazdax605 said:codrus said:
Two big problems with the Siennas I've driven -- the ergonomics are terrible (nowhere to put my left foot) and the chassis is very numb compared to the Honda.
My 06 Sienna has a very large dead pedal for my left foot. I haven't sat in the next generation Sienna, but I doubt they dropped the dead pedal.
In the 2012-ish ones the interior trim on the footwell is in the space that my left foot ought to be. It's not just no dead pedal, it's no space. I either have to rotate my knee so that my left foot is behind my right foot, or have it sitting flat on the floor up against the seat. I dunno WTF they were thinking.
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