So I have been seeing these with the complete harness and ECUs for not much money. We are talking less than $1,500 delivered to my door. I really don’t have anything to it it on at the moment but that never stopped me from getting the motor first and the finding a car to put it in. Hell I was even considering an old pro four and square up the chassie. I did this once years ago with a 4age and a t50 trans and it was a hoot to drive. I was thinking that this motor and trans would make it even better.
But a street car would also be cool. An old rwd corolla as a sleeper or an old celica. The problem is finding a rust free one up here.
Anyway do people know much about this motor? The specs look great and since it is a Toyota it should be reliable in stock form.
Anyone know more about these?
I have also been very interested in the BEAMS engine.
What I have learned is that the throttle pedal may or may not be obtainable stateside. You'll need it if you want to use the Toyota engine management.
Don't expect to make much more than the stock 200hp. I had images of 300hp 2-liter NA dancing in my head until I found out that pretty much nobody makes cams or manifolds for it, what you get from the factory is what you can get without way more development work than could be justified vs. buying an S2000 drivetrain for a few thousand more. It falls victim to the same problem the Mazda B6/BP had: there was a turbo version, so the aftermarket is geared to throwing boost at it instead of developing the engine naturally aspirated.
Most people in the old corolla world are putting the 4age ITBs on them and making ~200whp. Would be a blast in a small lightweight car.
Something about a 6speed with 200 hp in a light car with vvt to hopefully flatten out the curve would just be a hoot to drive. I have not looked closely at the adds but that is good to know about the throttle peddle. A question to be asked of the seller for sure. Since these come from IS300s and the particular ones I have been looking at are from Canada I wonder how much getting a whole car would be.
In reply to dean1484 :
Technically, they did not come from IS300s. IS300s had 2JZ engines. The BEAMS 3SGE came in the Altezza/IS200.
Some IS200s apparently also had the 1G-FE engine, which was an all aluminum 2l inline six. Those are even cheaper on eBay because they are completely useless. I guess some people have make decent power with the 1G-GTE engine, mainly on the strength of not caring if they blew it up because they could get another longblock for relative pennies.
Is there a bolt up 6 speed for a 4age? Back when I was playing with 4ages a lot you basically were limited to the t50 and I think there were only two gearing choices. Neither were that good. . Better than nothing but horrible by today’s standards especially with the 4age being all about life over 4000 rpm.
In reply to Knurled. : I did not know that. Tks!!!
What does BEAMS mean??? I have seen that in several adds.
I think it's Breakthrough Engine with Advanced Management System. Basically VVT on both intake and exhaust. Not sure about the lift. I forget.
I know of no inline 6 speeds for the A block. You might be able to put a C60 series on an A block with the bell housing from a C50 series that was on an A block. Theorizing there, and they are transverse transaxles, not inline. Also, as far as I know, there was only one gear ratio set for the T50. If there was two, find me the part numbers. The only differences I can find in T50s is lefties or righties for the starter boss on the bell housing, and that's from digging through the Toyota Electronic Parts Catalog.
200 HP NA from a 2 liter with Toyota everything is good in my book. Not having to mess with a turbo is a big plus. Billzilla got one in a Lotus Seven clone. Toyota also put that motor in RAV4's in Japan.
One of the eBay JDM import Beams engine, trans, ecm packages is at the top of the list for the Metropolitan I drug home a few months ago.
The Speed Academy folks stuck a Beams with ITBs in an old RA24 Celica, "Connie Celica."
Playlist:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXC7cnuLpgE&list=PLp8FsoRYWYK6bP17B66VUBrOzJ66yi-6D
They fit pretty well in a TR3, so I figure it'll fit in the Metropolitan nicely.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGPdW1t5Tzs&t=1s
Tyler H
UltraDork
12/2/18 1:17 p.m.
Will a gen3/gen4 3SGTE bolt up to that transmission? You know, for infinite power upgrade possibilities?
In reply to Tyler H :
I believe they will. There are a few ae86 drift guys running that setup.
Yes, any S block motor will bolt up to any transmission that was behind another S block. The 4th gen 3SGTE in my RAV4 is bolted to the stock transmission that was behind the 3SFE motor, for example.
In reply to Dr. Hess : It has been so long I don’t remember where I saw the different gear sets I want to say one was in a small pickup and the other was in a car the one in the truck had a lower first I think
If you look on youtube, you can find a number of BEAMs swapped AE86s, but your IQ may drop five points per minute listening to all the umm and brah in between vape clouds.
There's a few Japanese videos of F20 engined AE86s as well. Those are more entertaining.
In reply to dean1484 :
I know of no A block motor that came in a truck.
I am probably wrong. This was back in the late 1990s or early 2000.
You're probably thinking of the W series transmission, as seen behind R blocks. They put those in cars (celi's) and trucks.
Has this ran its course already?
Anyone have/had a BEAMS import or driven one in Japan? I assume with the internet any parts that don't cross reference to a USDM Toyota are just a few clicks and a boat ride away? I recall that the Speed Academy guys put a more common North American Toyota alternator on their BEAMS powered Celica.
Just like Dean, I think this seams like the hot ticket, for an affordable small, light, drivetrain package.
I was really heavily considering a Celica or MR2 Redtop 3S-GE BEAMS build before a Euro E28 fell into my lap.
The main problem with them (or the Redtops at least) from what I remember is that they all seem to dyno much lower than their factory HP/TQ rating and don't have a whole lot of aftermarket support, versus some of the Honda engines of the same era which dyno shockingly close to their factory ratings and have a lot of potential (both in aftermarket parts and general knowledge) to do more. I also seem to remember hearing that the stock engine management is seriously lacking but I might not be remembering that correctly. More than anything I just remember being really disappointed by the numbers on all the BEAMS dyno runs I could find, compared to a K20 or F20 setup they really seemed to be lacking.
Outside of that context I do agree that the Blacktop is probably the perfect swap for pretty much any classic RWD Toyota. Fair amount of fab work required but what swap at that level doesn't require some...
In reply to pointofdeparture :
My recollection from when I was looking is that they would generally make about 170whp, which is right on about 200hp. I never saw anybody run one on an engine dyno.
Beats the heck out of any stockish 4AGE for a lot less money to boot. No, they don't seem to like revving, but they are 2-liters, not 1600s.
153 ft lbs at 6500 and 181 HP at 7800 at the wheels, with 4AGE ITBs, some sexy, bundle of snakes, stainless, long tubes, and an aftermarket LINK ECU.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMANCWtYeGs
In reply to Flynlow :
Neat!
Did you procure that from one of the eBay vendors?
bigdaddylee82 said:
153 ft lbs at 6500 and 181 HP at 7800 at the wheels, with 4AGE ITBs, some sexy, bundle of snakes, stainless, long tubes, and an aftermarket LINK ECU.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMANCWtYeGs
Exactly - that's not bad. But a K20A2 with many fewer mods (bolt-ons and a pro tune) will put down 210+HP at the wheels.
Again, I'm not trying to trash the BEAMS, they are super cool and unique. But objectively, they just don't compete with the equivalent Hondas. Bone stock K20s with a Hondata flash typically put down 190-195whp. It takes a pretty heavily modded BEAMS to hit that.
Where Toyota really blows Honda out of the water is FI motors like the 3S-GTE.
