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JG Pasterjak
JG Pasterjak Production/Art Director
12/6/24 8:55 a.m.
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Less than 24 hours after fetching our Mustang GT from South Florida, we took it to the Florida International Rally & Motorsport Park for some baseline runs–after the usual preflight inspection, of course.

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Colin Wood
Colin Wood Associate Editor
12/6/24 9:04 a.m.

Chris is right, those V8 noises are nice.

Chris Tropea
Chris Tropea Associate Editor
12/6/24 9:28 a.m.

The Mustang was a ton of fun on track. Even though I only had a few laps in it I am excited to get more seat time in the car. 

DrMikeCSI
DrMikeCSI Reader
12/6/24 9:28 a.m.

Great project. Can we compare it to Tim's Shelby?

ZOO (Forum Supporter)
ZOO (Forum Supporter) UltraDork
12/6/24 9:33 a.m.

The basic traction control kills the aftermarket left rear calipers very quickly if you forget to turn it off in the 2011 we have.  Did you notice any issue, or did you run without it?

 

sleepyhead the buffalo
sleepyhead the buffalo PowerDork
12/6/24 10:11 a.m.

I'd like to see the LatG trace (not just speed) on the updates for this project #please

watching videos from Michael Bard (4th at TT Nats iirc?), these seem to stop real well ~1.1-1.2LonG; but the Goodyears seem to stunt some of the Lateral at 1.1-1.2LatG.  It's interesting looking at the times from a couple of TT events (NCM and Pitt Race) that are shared with GridLife, and the laptimes fall halfway between SundaeCup and ClubTR.

Driven5
Driven5 PowerDork
12/6/24 10:28 a.m.

In reply to ZOO (Forum Supporter) :

Interesting that it's the left rear you experienced getting accelerated wear from TC, when that's the tire that gets pushed into the pavement by torque under acceleration with a live axle. The right rear is the one that gets lifted by torque and is more likely to spin and engage traction control.

adam525i
adam525i SuperDork
12/6/24 10:38 a.m.

Now I want to know what the hot 540 tw tires were that came on this car!

ZOO (Forum Supporter)
ZOO (Forum Supporter) UltraDork
12/6/24 10:54 a.m.
Driven5 said:

In reply to ZOO (Forum Supporter) :

Interesting that it's the left rear you experienced getting accelerated wear from TC, when that's the tire that gets pushed into the pavement by torque under acceleration with a live axle. The right rear is the one that gets lifted by torque and is more likely to spin and engage traction control.

"Orville Wright did not have a pilots license." - Gordon MacKenzie

Now you've made me think more about this.  I have replaced both calipers many times (though I've finally found some success with the Delco remans), and it is indeed the right rear that has been most problematic, not left rear.

Those rear brakes are the Achilles heal of the platform, in my experience. 

 

11GTCS
11GTCS SuperDork
12/6/24 11:05 a.m.

My '11 will never see the track at least with me driving, I don't have the talent for that.   It's nice to see confirmation of what my road experience has been and that the car really does have the capability.  Not bad for old school stick axle suspension and all seasons indeed.

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
12/6/24 11:21 a.m.
adam525i said:

Now I want to know what the hot 540 tw tires were that came on this car!

I can get that info for you at lunchtime. 

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
12/6/24 2:54 p.m.

Current tires on the Mustang: Continental ExtremeContact DWS06 Plus

Tom1200
Tom1200 PowerDork
12/6/24 4:28 p.m.
11GTCS said:

My '11 will never see the track at least with me driving, I don't have the talent for that.  

As someone who has been instructing for the last 28 years you don't really have to have a lot of talent to be on track. I know lots of drivers who stay in the lower groups, they go at their own pace and have a ton of fun.

Tom1200
Tom1200 PowerDork
12/6/24 4:28 p.m.

As a recent convert to Mustang noises I will say it is addicting.

ShinnyGroove (Forum Supporter)
ShinnyGroove (Forum Supporter) Dork
12/6/24 5:35 p.m.

Are you guys building this for SCCA Club Spec?  Any indication of how many Mustangs are built already or are in the works for the 2025 season?  This is a tempting proposition for a low-stress time trials/track day car.  I think this is one of SCCA's better ideas.

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
12/6/24 5:47 p.m.

In reply to ShinnyGroove (Forum Supporter) :

Yep, Club Spec Mustang. More here: Why did we suddenly need a 20-year-old Mustang?

Solo Nats had a healthy field. Locally, if it’s just us at first, I figure we can run in Street Touring.

Apexcarver
Apexcarver MegaDork
12/6/24 6:41 p.m.

I see the thread title, think awesome, some SN95 or new edge goodness. Click and see S197.   

Anyone else feel old? 

Then I remember the historic tags on my '97. 

 

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
12/6/24 7:32 p.m.

Today’s progress: a second key and non-gross fobs.

11GTCS
11GTCS SuperDork
12/6/24 8:17 p.m.

In reply to David S. Wallens :

LOL, that's what I run on mine.  Good to know!

11GTCS
11GTCS SuperDork
12/6/24 8:20 p.m.

In reply to Tom1200 :

Can confirm all the noises.  Especially when I decide the Coyote needs to clear it's throat a bit. Paging Dr. Roush, paging Dr. Roush! devil

Edited to add:  With regard to driving on track, while we have a few venues nearby that I "could" try it on with an instructor my car wouldn't be my first choice for as it's too damn fast for a beginner.  That and some guy with in a 115 HP Datsun would probably lap my untalented butt!  I've done some kart racing and had plenty of fun at that, I'm probably good.

Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter)
Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter) UltimaDork
12/6/24 9:55 p.m.
David S. Wallens said:

Today’s progress: a second key and non-gross fobs.

Who programmed the key for you? I thought you had to go to a dealer for that.

Loweguy5
Loweguy5 Dork
12/8/24 6:20 a.m.

I had the Contis on my 08 GT.  Not a terrible tire for all season.

I highly recommend a new rear track bar and the track bar mount brace for where it connects to the car.  That plus a front strut tower brace made a significant difference in mine.  Prior to installation it felt like the rear end was moving side to side and after much less so.

These cars have such an amazing aftermarket the sky is truly the limit.

Ranger50
Ranger50 MegaDork
12/8/24 6:46 a.m.
Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter) said:
David S. Wallens said:

Today’s progress: a second key and non-gross fobs.

Who programmed the key for you? I thought you had to go to a dealer for that.

Most anybody with an upto date scan tool can program a key now. Probably a locksmith for this instance.

Pete. (l33t FS)
Pete. (l33t FS) MegaDork
12/8/24 7:17 a.m.

In reply to Ranger50 :

Those fobs can be programmed without a tool.   This is not antitheft key programming, it's key fob learning.  Two separate concepts.

I forget the exact details, it's been a while, but it's very doable.

 

What else is nice is that in a lot of those cars, the remote keyless entry module (or whatever Ford called it) was separate and CAN-free, which means it can be used to swap keyless entry into pretty much anything that has electric power locks.

Racebrick
Racebrick HalfDork
12/8/24 8:28 a.m.
ShinnyGroove (Forum Supporter) said:

Are you guys building this for SCCA Club Spec?  Any indication of how many Mustangs are built already or are in the works for the 2025 season?  This is a tempting proposition for a low-stress time trials/track day car.  I think this is one of SCCA's better ideas.

There is a club spec Facebook group with a lot of people posting about their builds. There was a good deal of builds started this year, with people interested in competing in the '25 season. People are also pretty happy with the class, and cars so nobody is leaving the class which should help counts.

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