Trucks at Mosport

Anti-stance wrote: To say that NASCAR divers go out to wreck other cars and it is the norm is just uninformed. Does it happen occassionally, yes. It happens in sportscars all the time. We get it, you don't like stockcar racing because you like "real racing". I think open wheel racing is the most lame spactator racing but you don't see me going into F1 threads to talk about how boring those parade laps are.

Contact happens in all racing, sometimes intentional, sometimes not.

The difference is the risk-reward. For this race, the penalty for avoidable contact is apparently so minor that it's ok if you do it to win a race. In other series, racers are penalized- a drive through, hold in pits, or a time penalty after a race and have had race victories taken away. Here, the son of a famous racer gets his first win thanks in large part to avoidable contact.

Yea, it's real racing. But it's not all that appealing when some pretty basic fairness is allowed to be completly taken out of the picture. If you want to watch that, cool. I don't.

wbjones wrote:

oldsaw wrote: In reply to z31maniac: I won't classify myself as more "civilized" but I have real problems with mindsets that condone, even encourage, destruction of someone's honest effort and hard work. Give me some hard, wheel to wheel racing and I can accept some occasional contact. When punting someone in front you because you can't pass them any other way is the norm, well, that just sucks.

you seem to have forgotten that Dale Sr is the standard for this sanctioning body, and that's how he did it

I haven't forgotten anything...

Put me in the camp that never idolized the Intimidator's tactics, those who emulate him or those who embrace that type of on-track behavior.

oldsaw wrote:

wbjones wrote:

oldsaw wrote: In reply to z31maniac: I won't classify myself as more "civilized" but I have real problems with mindsets that condone, even encourage, destruction of someone's honest effort and hard work. Give me some hard, wheel to wheel racing and I can accept some occasional contact. When punting someone in front you because you can't pass them any other way is the norm, well, that just sucks.

you seem to have forgotten that Dale Sr is the standard for this sanctioning body, and that's how he did it

I haven't forgotten anything... Put me in the camp that never idolized the Intimidator's tactics, those who emulate him or those who embrace that type of on-track behavior.

I'm right there with you, I think he drove like an shiny happy person.

As far as contact goes, "loosening someone up" is okay in my book, intentional wrecking someone is a whole other story. Stockcar racing is a different beast, that for sure.

I just sit back and laugh at the "NASCAR is crap" mentality because I have been there in the hating camp. "I love racing but hate NASCAR" used to be my favorite phase when people asked me about racing. Then I worked on some racecars and my perspective changed.

Things I have noticed in the stockcar racing and sportscar racing world for the most part.

-Amateur stockcar drivers and pro sportscar drivers are pretty openminded with both forms of racing.

-Amateur sportscar drivers and pro stockcar drivers are pretty closed minded and only like their form of racing.

NASCAR seems to advertise the trucks as a rough and tumble type of racing.

alfadriver wrote: I know they are not trying to wreck each other, but I just don't find it appealing that they find contact acceptable to win. For that race, the guy who won should be forced to finish behind the guy he crashed, since that was avoidable contact.

I like that rule idea. Nudge all you want, but if you take the guy out you finish behind him. Elliot would have been 13th under that scenario.

Lets start by saying that overall this was a great race. Even though it was the 3rd tied NASCAR guys it was a lot better to watch than the demolition derby/caution fest that the indycar guys had in Baltimore.

What happened in the last corner sucked. I'm sure Eliott lost some fans for driving dirty. More importantly its obvious he lost respect from the other drivers so he won't be getting any breaks out there anymore.

I think all the NASCAR bashing in here is funny when you consider that one of the last turn crashes, the car slamming on the cool down lap, and the garage area fight was two "real racing" guys from sports cars (Skeen and Papis).

In reply to CrashDummy:

Well put.

In reply to CrashDummy:

Never mind, it's clear that that kind of avoildable contact is ok. Regardless of who did it. Watch all you want.

Anti-stance wrote: To say that NASCAR divers go out to wreck other cars and it is the norm is just uninformed. Does it happen occassionally, yes. It happens in sportscars all the time. We get it, you don't like stockcar racing because you like "real racing". I think open wheel racing is the most lame spactator racing but you don't see me going into F1 threads to talk about how boring those parade laps are.

you're partially right ... but on road courses I'd say that it is MORE the norm than not , at least compared to oval track racing ...

not so much on the ovals (at least not on the larger ovals) ... short track racing is a different story LOL

All I see is #3 exiting the second last turn way too tight, scrubbing speed, giving 94 an opening then trying to take it away, and getting burned. #3 was in the wrong. He should have held his line, and didn't, and he paid for it.

94 would have never made the corner at the speed he was going without the 3 slowing him down (bouncing off the 3). Simple as that.

racerfink wrote: 94 would have never made the corner at the speed he was going without the 3 slowing him down (bouncing off the 3). Simple as that.

Yep...

It's easy to make a corner by using another car as a bump-stop.

wbjones wrote: ... short track racing is a different story LOL

You are absolutely correct there.

racerfink wrote: 94 would have never made the corner at the speed he was going without the 3 slowing him down (bouncing off the 3). Simple as that.

Doesn't matter. He never got the chance (but that's how it's done, anyway).

iceracer wrote: NASCAR seems to advertise the trucks as a rough and tumble type of racing.

they also raced on the dirt at Eldora a little while ago, and the consensus here was that the racing was awesome..

novaderrik wrote:

iceracer wrote: NASCAR seems to advertise the trucks as a rough and tumble type of racing.

they also raced on the dirt at Eldora a little while ago, and the consensus here was that the racing was awesome..

It was! And nobody purposely crashed anybody out for the win.

^^^^ This !!
I was there and it was surprisingly clean racing.