Asking for a friend. Seems like a 400 hp AWD escape could be done on a challenge budget. My friend hasn't found anything in his research about boosting the Duratec V6. Anyone got direct experience? Or can point my friend toward some info.
Asking for a friend. Seems like a 400 hp AWD escape could be done on a challenge budget. My friend hasn't found anything in his research about boosting the Duratec V6. Anyone got direct experience? Or can point my friend toward some info.
400hp AWD Escape?
Step 1: Start with a 2.5 Escape.
Step 2: Add boost
Is Ford's current 3.0tt related to the previous 3.0?
I did some work in a previous life for an outfit who was finishing Nobel cars for end users. I recall packaging of the twin turbo Duratecs to be a nightmare, I can't imagine an Escape being any better.
Nitrous.
I was just going to link the escape on nitrous that was at dragweek. Averaged 13.9 for the event. Transmission is the weak link, said he blew it on the last day.
The 3L used in the Escapes (and Taurus) is basically the same as the 2.5L V6 used in the Contour/Mystique/Cougar so a lot of people swapped the 3L from the Escape or Taurus into those cars. There were also quite a few people who turbod those cars, both the 2.5L and the 3L. It's been a while since I had my Cougar so I'm not that sure, but I remember people easily making 375hp on stock bottom end 3Ls with a turbo kit. Here's a link to the Contour.org forced induction subforum where you can probably get a lot of info. It's a different platform from the Escape but all of the engine knowledge should carry over. Most people who turbocharged their cars used the manual transmission which was never available with the V6 in the Escape but you might be able to find some info about the auto trans there too.
There are also people making 375 wheel horsepower with unopened 2.5 fours and boost. And they are a heck of a lot cheaper to buy if and when you lose a couple in the testing phase.
Check out Motoiq, I have been following these guys for years
In reply to Pete. (l33t FS) :
The 2.5 is the MZR aka Duratec, correct?
In reply to Schmidlap :
If "basically the same" means no crossover in parts, sure. While they fit in similar places and the bell housings may be shared, the engines are not the same thing. Given how they were used, the P engineering input design of the 2.5 was simplified to be a whole lot cheaper to make for the 3.0. The 3.0 was probably an order of magnitude higher production to the 2.5.
Actually, Aston Martin's v12 has more 3.0 parts in it than the 2.5.
As for the 3.0, didn't a South African company boost one to put into a really cool car?
In reply to alfadriver :
Sorry if this comes off as snarky, it's not meant to be, but tone is hard to convey on the internet. Yes, I was being hyperbolic with "basically the same" but I assumed that people would know that engines with two different displacements would not really be exactly the same. But the engines were the same enough that mixing and matching heads, cams, intake manifolds, exhaust manifolds (even occasionally aftermarket headers from a 2.5L turbo kit - that's the part that I thought might sound snarky) is easy and that building a higher hp 3L engine was common place for Contour/Cougar enthusiasts, so if someone wanted actual info about turbocharging and tuning a 3L Duratec, going to a forum about a car that used the 2.5L V6 Duratec was actually a good place to start since there were a lot of people there that did it, despite the two engines sharing so few part numbers.
In reply to alfadriver and Schmidlap :
I do remember people swapping the 3.0L into Contours and slapping on the 2.5L heads on for a juicy displacement and compression bump, so there's that. I kinda want to try an old-school JYTurbo on the cheap, and it seems like an AWD Escape is as good a recipient as any.
I thought the 3l Escape engine was a different family from the 3l that shared parts with the Contour engine.
In reply to Schmidlap :
The big thing to me is that the 2.5 originally went into the low production probe and mx6, and later in the contour- mystique. Whereas the 3.0 went into the high production Taurus and later Escape. So much of the complexity of the 2.5 was simplified in the 3.0- just to keep costs low-ish for the Taurus. Worked out to be a good, solid motor for it and the escape.
In reply to alfadriver :
The 2.5 in the second generation Probe and MX6 were Mazda V6s, unrelated to Ford products. They had timing belts and were big versions of the 1.8 V6 used in the MX3. (they did wedge a few 3 liter Vulcans into 1st gen Probes, and what an unsightly mess that was!)
I think that was about the time someone in charge said "Enough. We get one V6 and one four cylinder. Mazda, make a new four cylinder. We will use Ford's new V6." And so we lost the Mazda V6 and the Zetec.
Not an unintelligent strategy, but it is always a little sad to see old friend engine families disappear.
Pete beat me to it on the Mazda vs Ford 2.5's.
In reply to Pete. (l33t FS) :
Right, forgot about that motor. But even so, the 2.5 for just the contour mystique isn't quite for a Taurus in terms of volumes.
In reply to alfadriver :
Allegedly the 2.5 in the X-type had its own cylinder heads, too!
i managed to work on two X types. Both got engines. Same month. I saved all of the cam followers/lifters from one because they looked like they might be useful for converting a VW engine from shim over bucket style lifters.
Everything comes in pairs for some reason.
In reply to Pete. (l33t FS) :
Iirc, that was an era of "simplification" that lead to buckets and rff on the same motor. So much for the simple concept.
It would have been good if the two v6 were like the later duratc i4s, as you could do a piston swap from larger to smaller and dropped the compression perfectly for a boosted motor. We did that when really starting boosted emissions development.
Still, to ACs question- it's been done. Hoping that someone can remember details of the 3.0l.
In reply to AngryCorvair (Forum Supporter) :
Yeah I was one of those guys. Did the 3L bottom end with a knife-edged crank and 2.5L SVT heads for a compression around 10:1 I think? Only made about 203hp at the wheels but it was a FUN car on the track with the Quaife and Cobra 13" brakes...
In reply to Ranger50 :
I tried to find info on that Escape to find out what year it is.
The 2008+ Escapes had the 6F35 transmission which is a major update from the previous CD4E. It should be able to handle a lot of power.
In reply to fanfoy :
2009 escape for what is listed on the hot rod drag week time spreadsheet.
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