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Toyman01
Toyman01 MegaDork
10/26/19 8:43 a.m.

My sister has a Leaf. She has been underwhelmed by it. It is now a rental available with one of their VRBO units.

Wally
Wally MegaDork
10/26/19 8:59 a.m.

In reply to Toyman01 :

Has she tried adding more engines?

GIRTHQUAKE
GIRTHQUAKE HalfDork
10/26/19 9:16 a.m.
MrChaos said:

Nissan making possible decent cars again? Color me surprised.

God I hope so. This sounds similar to the Renault Clio track prototype that was similarly at ~400 wh/torque to the wheels.

God, maybe Nissan will finally stop just dickin' around and get back to making fun stuff? Hey Nissan, now that Ghosn is gone you gonna make that IDx coupe now?

Toyman01
Toyman01 MegaDork
10/26/19 9:57 a.m.

In reply to Wally :

Not her thing, and her issue is range. She lives in downtown Charlotte where you would think that a Leaf would be perfect. Until you have to go to the grocery store that's in the suburbs, in the summer or winter with the HVAC running full blast. It runs out of battery pretty quickly apparently. 

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
10/26/19 6:38 p.m.
dculberson said:

@Keith: I'd love to see a dictionary that defines it that way, honestly. I see the "engine = gas" thing every now and then but only in a "because I think so" sense. I think it's like "sports car = convertible" - a common belief that's not really true.

Well, dictionary.com for one.

"a machine for converting thermal energy into mechanical energy or power to produce force and motion."

The Cambridge English Dictionary has "a machine that uses the energy from fuel or steam to produce movement", but then has a "business english" variation that is more generic. Word.net (based in Princeton) has the "thermal energy to mechanical work" definition. Mirriam-Webster (the only one I have in hard copy) has the generic version that just describes energy into work.

Where difference engines and siege engines come in is a different definition, basically a thing designed to do something. Medieval armaments tend to be called out specifically.

It's important to remember that dictionaries are attempting to document the language, not create or steer it. Otherwise we wouldn't have that stupid definition of "literally" that is literally the opposite of what literally means.

Aaaaaaanyhow - for the sake of clarity if not technical correctness, it is more clear to more readers if you use "engine" for gasoline motors and "motor" for electric engines ;)

Knurled.
Knurled. MegaDork
10/26/19 7:18 p.m.

In reply to Keith Tanner :

And we'll just overlook the paradox of General Motors or the Ford Motor Company or all of the other automobiles that incorporate "motor" in their name and motorsports that involve non-electric motivation.

 

English is hard, okay?  The only rule is there ain't no rules.  I genuinely respect anybody who is ESL and manages to not go insane.  Fluent or not.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
10/26/19 7:22 p.m.

I wonder if GM and FoMoCo are reflections of the era? Has the language shifted? 

Wally
Wally MegaDork
10/26/19 7:54 p.m.

To add to any confusion when I watched racing on tv years ago engine and motor were often used interchangeably depending on the commentator.
 

In reply to Knurled. :

Knurled.
Knurled. MegaDork
10/27/19 10:30 a.m.

To be honest, I'm surprised nobody geeked up the thread yet with Twin Ion Engine fighter pictures.

 

I have a duty, though.

 

dculberson
dculberson MegaDork
10/27/19 2:21 p.m.

In reply to Keith Tanner :

Funny that Cambridge and dictionary.com have that definition when OED and meriam Webster have the other; I just happened to check two that had the more generic definition!

I do agree that dictionaries are descriptive and not prescriptive. But it's important to have something to fall back on to figure out confusions in language. At least I think so. 

noddaz
noddaz SuperDork
10/27/19 2:50 p.m.

So, what's up with the twin motored Leaf?

BTW, to make this never ending thread never ending I will throw this in about traction engines.

Traction engine

A traction engine is a self-propelled steam engine used to move heavy loads on roads, plough ground or to provide power at a chosen location. The name derives from the Latin tractus, meaning 'drawn', since the prime function of any traction engine is to draw a load behind it. They are sometimes called road locomotives to distinguish them from railway locomotives – that is, steam engines that run on rails.

-Wiki

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