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Tom1200
Tom1200 Dork
12/22/19 2:17 p.m.

@dean1984............WE WERE JOKING!!! OH AND DID I MENTION, WE WERE JOKING!!!!

I said tongue in check for God's sake, I also went on to say clearly I should have been more obvious because people are taking this serious. 

I thought for sure the swipe at Datsun guys would make it even more obvious as I AM A DATSUN GUY and have been for the last 36 years.

If I was going to be morally superior I'd have bagged on guys with 2-stroke cars smoking up the grid first thing in the morning and making all ring ding ding noises; someone should vote them for most annoying class ever...........oh wait I just remembered I'm one of those guys and  F500 was  voted most annoying class.

So if all of the above hasn't made it clear WE WERE JOKING!

dean1484
dean1484 MegaDork
12/22/19 2:30 p.m.

No where in your post was there a wink or any other reason to think you were joking. All we have is the text on the screen.  

dean1484
dean1484 MegaDork
12/22/19 2:36 p.m.

Edit to the above I do see where you said tongue  cheek but that did not come off to me that he was joking. More like being condescending as opposed to joking. Considering the other comments in the thread I am betting I am not the only one that misinterpreted your post.  I just happen to be the least politically correct with my response.   

Tom1200
Tom1200 Dork
12/22/19 3:02 p.m.

Dean I also mentioned multiple times I got this wrong as yes, you were not the only one who thought we were serious. So yes I've screwed the pooch on this one as anytime you have to explain it's a joke you've got it wrong. 

As for my boss he's about as unpretentious and non condescending a person as you'll ever meet. Part of the goof is he just came from a V6 car; when he sold his Jag and went to the Infiniti he made jokes about having to sell his luxury car and drive a "Datsun" 

So my apologies to anyone who thought I was serious. 

b13990
b13990 Reader
12/22/19 3:05 p.m.
ebonyandivory said:

I'm simply trying to wrap my head around a fellow automotive enthusiast concerning him/herself with whether a stranger made a "reasonable decision" in his/her choice of vehicle. I just don't get it.

Please correct me if I'm out of line, I'm just trying to interpret your thought process.

I don't think it's out of line at all. I think it's interesting. Like I said earlier, you already brought me around to a bit more of a "live and let live" attitude towards it when you compared anti-SUV sentiment to anti-V6-Mustang (or whatever) sentiment.

People respond to price stimuli, and I don't expect much more. If you can afford an airplane ticket, I think it's silly to eschew air travel out of some concern for the environment or the poor people who live at the end of the runway (or whatever). If you can afford a big truck and the gas for it (and most people in the USA can), then it is not unreasonable for people to get one if they want one.

So maybe "reasonable" was the wrong word, and you've again made me think it through a little better. After all, I could get by with a much cheaper and more efficient car than the one I drive, but the car that I chose is well within my budget, and it amuses me. That's fine.

I guess what I cannot get past with SUVs is the feeling that the costs they incur - all the bad stuff about them - is being unfairly allocated to the rest of us.

After it rains hard or snows, I inevitably see new places where chunks of asphalt have come free and splattered off to God knows where. I do not think the compact sedans I'm driving are doing that.

When I am trying to lope around a parking lot in first gear, quite frequently I'm interrupted by some behemoth of an SUV that cannot (or that I do not trust to) share the narrow pathway available to us. I have to put down the clutch and the brake, and I roll my eyes a little bit, and think to myself, "get the big one next time, why don't you?"

When I take a road trip, too much of my time is spent staring at the backs of Armadas, Wagoneers, Gelandewagens, and the rest, instead of the trees and sky I wanted to see. It doesn't take money out of my bank account like stepping on the clutch or banging over a new pothole does (if only quietly and incrementally), but it's something I'm suffering purely for the benefit of someone else.

I didn't even talk about CAFE exemptions, or car-vs.-truck crash safety, but that's my thought process. I guess it's the thought process of a man who studied economics as an undergrad. I think SUV owners are getting a free lunch.

 

 

 

Shadeux
Shadeux Reader
12/22/19 3:30 p.m.

ebonyandivory
ebonyandivory PowerDork
12/22/19 3:53 p.m.

In reply to b13990 :

I appreciate your thoughtful response! I'm being serious, thank you.

In addition to my previous thoughts and questions I can't help but delve into the almost infinite and ultimately fruitless scenario that plays out like this:

The pedestrian complains about the bicycle rider who then complains about the scooter rider who in turn has an issue with the EV driver who mocks the hybrid driver who whines about the Yaris driver who berates the Altima driver who begrudges the Mustang driver that thinks the guy in the Lexus RX is a gas hog who is bothered by the Land Rover driver who is angry at the Armada driver who REALLY hates the Silverado 3500 driver.

Unless you walk everywhere you go, you are just another gas hogger but to a degree somewhere below or above someone else. We're all guilty if that's the view one takes. Kinda like the gang member who jumps someone but only got in two solid punches instead of three. Not exactly innocent and certainly in no place to judge.

ebonyandivory
ebonyandivory PowerDork
12/22/19 3:59 p.m.

In reply to Shadeux :

We're actually having a reasoned discussion here. Feel free to contribute something constructive.

Recon1342
Recon1342 Reader
12/22/19 5:18 p.m.

In reply to b13990 :

I daily a 1990 Dodge Ramcharger, which is about as full size as a two-door SUV gets. It’s a point of pride for me to drive it in such a manner that I am not unnecessarily impeding on others, be it via parking correctly or driving reasonably in parking lots, etc. That being said, I am 6’6” tall with a 39” inseam; the fact of the matter is that I just don’t fit well in “normal” cars. For me, sports cars simply are not an option. That being said, I use every bit of the “Utility” aspect of my large SUV...

Tom1200
Tom1200 Dork
12/22/19 5:26 p.m.

@shadeux I've had quite enough of you; I'm selling all everything I own and buying a Ferrari 330GTC and installing an Evinrude V6 complete with stinger pipes.............take that.

@ebonyandivory  when I hit the lotto (you know the one I never buy tickers for) my car collection will include everything from a monster truck with stack pipes to a low rider because both of them are such slices of Americana. Naturally most of the collection would be small 4 cylinder cars because they're what I love most. 

I've never particularly liked the sound American V8 cars. I think it may have to do with many people putting cheap exhausts on them. It could also be they're simply not my cup of tea.  I think straight sixes and flat sixes make a better noise but you like hat you like.

Recon1342
Recon1342 Reader
12/22/19 5:38 p.m.

In reply to Tom1200 :

I love the sound of a properly piped inline six. They sound quite glorious...

I also love the lopey idle of a well-built v-8. 

Or the seductive noises a desmosedici valvetrain makes...

Or my favorite of all time- The thrilling sound of Honda’s RC166 250cc six cylinder race bike...

https://youtu.be/eaRop_ZMwo0

Tom1200
Tom1200 Dork
12/22/19 6:04 p.m.

I am particularly found of the 5 cylinder 125.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Xuvx15DLDmc

Brett_Murphy
Brett_Murphy UltimaDork
12/22/19 6:06 p.m.
Tom1200 said:

So if all of the above hasn't made it clear WE WERE JOKING!

So, you're serious, then?

Recon1342
Recon1342 Reader
12/22/19 6:28 p.m.

In reply to Tom1200 :

That’s a proper noisy bike right there...

ProDarwin
ProDarwin UltimaDork
12/22/19 7:16 p.m.
Tom1200 said:

I am particularly found of the 5 cylinder 125.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Xuvx15DLDmc

When that thing first barks to life its very alarming

4 seconds later I wanted someone to punch the guy on it.

Tom1200
Tom1200 Dork
12/22/19 8:11 p.m.

Yes I want punch him too............so I could go screaming off on the bike. The exhaust noise obnoxiously wonderful. I have a thing for 50cc & 125cc Gran Prix bikes. 

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