The_Jed wrote: Now you've infected me...This one goes to live auction local to me tomorrow: 2010 P71 with "bad" transmission I'll find out today whether saturday or sunday is my day off. The car has 104,000 miles and supposedly the trans is toast. What is the deal with the 4R75?
Definitely worth looking at. Check the transmission fluid. Mine said it needed a power steering pump. It was just low on fluid and growling.
Toyman01 wrote: In reply to ClemSparks: The wheel offsets changed on the newer cars. New car, new wheel, no problem. New wheel, old car, needs spacers. Old wheels, new car, wheels stick out of the fenders.
This I understand. I think the misunderstanding is what makes a new vs. old. My understanding is that '02 and earlier are the "old" style with wheel offsets more like an old rear-drive car. '03 and newer are more like a front wheel drive car with the higher offset wheels.
I have a set of "old" bullitt style wheels (from SN95 Mustang) that I checked on my '03 and they stick WAY out the fenders. Leading me to believe the wheels you posted would fit just fine with no spacers.
Was there another difference starting in '05, or is it that one of is mistaken ab out the year that this changed for the crown vics?
In reply to ClemSparks:
This is the information I used when shopping for wheels. Stolen from crownvic.net
Wheels
All panthers use a 5x4.5" bolt pattern, and a ~70.5mm hub centerbore
92-02: All '92-'97s require 15" wheels minimum to clear the front calipers. 'All 98+ require at least a 16" wheel to clear their larger front dual piston calipers. (15" will clear in the rear, however) There have been mentions of people grinding down their 98-02 fronts calipers to allow use of 15" wheels. I do not recommend this.
All '98+ use 16" wheels as standard equipment, 17" if it was a CV Sport (and later Town Cars and 18" for Marauder) -97s received 15" steel wheels as standard equipment on base models, 15" alloys on upper models and 16" alloys on 93+ HPPs All of the 16" and 17" rims are 7" in width, the 15" wheels are 6.5" in width however I have heard the 'Police' 15" steel wheels may be 7" The primary difference between CVPI and 'base' -'97 15" steel wheels is the police wheels can accept 'dog dish' center caps. The offset for all -02 is ~6mm (depending on rim model), though a 0mm offset can be used without any trouble provided you keep the width reasonable.
03+ All came with at least 16" wheels, 17" for LX Sport. '03+ Town Cars and 18" for Marauders. All can use the 16" rims, however.
The width is again 7", Though the Marauder's are 8" to run larger width tires
The offset is high, ~50mm *Though anything in the ~40-~50mm range is acceptable.
05+ / s197 Mustang, all 03+ panther, and 2002-2005 Explorer wheels are a direct fit for 03+ panthers. Note: There is a clearance issue between the wheel and front calipers when using some '05+ Mustang wheels on '03+ panthers. This appears to be limited to the polished 18" 5-spoke "Bullitt" factory Ford wheels, and the 2013 19" rims pictured in this post. If you run into this problem, slip-on style 1/4" spacers will space the wheel far enough to gain adequate clearance.
s197 05+ Mustang / 03+ panther / 2002-2005 Explorer wheels will fit -02 panthers with the use wheel adapters, measuring at least ~30mm/1.25"+. Hub centric adapters recommended 1.5" preferred. Aero owners may want to use 2" on rear.
94-04 sn95/5x4.5" FACTORY mustang wheels can be used on -02 panthers, provided a wheel adapter/spacer measuring at ~1/4"+ is used on the front wheels to compensate for increased offset. Larger spacers will bring wheels further out to fender well lips. 1/4" is minimum for front ball joint clearance, and is adequate up to (and including) the 8" Cobra rims. 20mm+ preferred all around for the right look. (Aero owners should use a larger spacer in the rear to fill the wheel wells out more) Hub centric adapters recommended. Increased rim width will effect offset and minimum spacer size calculation. If you're going beyond factory Mustang wheels just keep that in mind and size your spacers accordingly.
s95 (94-04)/5x4.5" Mustang wheels have too low of an offset for 03+ panthers, the wheels may protrude past the wheel openings. For aero owner's looking for better handling, -02 panther 16" (and 17") wheels are a direct fit, size 225/60/16 tires are closest to the diameter of your original 15" wheel/tire combo. Kenny Brown panthers used 18x8" Ronal R-7 wheels, using 245/45/18 tires
2006+ CVPIs use 17" wheels. These wheels are a direct swap on all 2003+ panthers. They can be used on -02 provided hub centric adapters (1.5") are used on all 4 wheels. -97 Steel wheels come in two varieties. The standard and the 'Police' wheels which have raised portions/bumps to secure the 'dog-dish' style hubcaps. DCX LX Platform wheels can be used on -02 panthers. The bolt pattern is slightly off (by .7mm, DCX using 5x115mm vs. our 5x114.3mm) , so vibration may be felt at higher speeds. Hub centric adapter 'rings' are recommended to keep wheels hubconcentric (The LX platform wheels have a larger centerbore than Ford Panther platform vehicles (71.5mm vs 70.5mm), the rings fill this gap keeping the wheel concentric to the hub) Offset is ~18mm, so spacers are not required for use on -02s but recommended for best look. These wheels will stick out too far to be used on 03+ panthers. The aforementioned Ford wheel offerings (Mustang, Explorer, Panther, etc.) use the correct 70.6mm center bore.
Cool. Yeah, that's one of the resources I was using too. I might just have to pick up a set of those "take-off" wheels for my '03 and see if they'll fit.
You know, SN95 wheels are way low offset for 03+ Panthers but still have the same hub bore, and flares from an 02-09 Ranger FX4 appear to fit on a second gen Crown Vic after being trimmed. Widebody, anyone?
In reply to G_Body_Man:
That's a possibility. They stick out of the fenders about 1.5"-2"
This is a 03 Mustang GT wheel on a 06 P71.
240Z bolt on fender flares. Dooooo eiiittt.
Toyman01 wrote: In reply to G_Body_Man: That's a possibility. They stick out of the fenders about 1.5"-2" This is a 03 Mustang GT wheel on a 06 P71.
That looks just like it did when I put the wheel on the rear of the mustang in this photo on my '03 P71.
(unfortunately, I don't seem to have a similar photo...but my memory tells me it's the same 
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In reply to Appleseed:
Given that I'm going back to Ontario for college, and since the insurance cutoff for most companies is 96 ($4k a year for a 96 base model Crown Vic), I'm selling the Slamther and buying a P71. Give me 10 months or so, and there will be a lowered, toreador red, widebody P71 in Canada.
Toyman01 wrote:The_Jed wrote: Now you've infected me...Definitely worth looking at. Check the transmission fluid. Mine said it needed a power steering pump. It was just low on fluid and growling.
I'm going to miss the auction. Just got home from work and I'll be getting up in about 4 1/2 hours to head back in. Oh well, I'm sure I'll find another.
Hey question on these. I didn't want to start another thread and this one seems dead, so a little bit of a revival. So when you buy a CPVI or whatever the hell it is called, does it retain the bullet proof glass and all the other safety equipment? Gun rack in the back? Bull bar? Does Anything get taken off that would be missed? Obviously the cherries and berries are illegal....
In reply to Trackmouse:
I've never seen one with bullet resistant glass.
Some departments pull everything. Some departments leave everything. It depends.
Mine came with nothing. All equipment removed and holes plugged, all decals and striping removed and cleaned up, all extra wiring was stripped neatly. It was pretty much as built. I was surprised.
The one RevRico just bought came with the cage still in the back and even the numbers still on the car. Police decals were pulled but not cleaned. I think he even said it still had the siren mounted.
Siren box was still there,and along with wiring for strobes and radios that had all just been cut. Making it a pain in the ass to get the horn working on stock wiring,and but I guess leaving me some recoup money if this becomes a challenge car.
None of the ones I saw at auction had spot lights or push bars,and but I see a lot that do. Hell, there's a dealership by where I autocross that has exclusively white,and spot light mounted suvs and sedans,but with no stickers or decals. It's really fun coming around the bend on the highway and seeing a dozen unmarked cop cars sitting in a row..
It really depends on the department I guess what they leave in or how they get things out. Because they just cut and pulled, my headlights are in severe need of aiming as well.
I don't know why my tablet automatically adds and or I after a comma sorry if things don't make sense.
Do ppl drive slower in front of you if you driving one of these? I know I would, even if it appeared out of commission.
In reply to Trackmouse:
On the interstate, they usually move over. On a two lane they will sometimes slow down, but that just makes them easier to pass.
Trackmouse wrote: Do ppl drive slower in front of you if you driving one of these? I know I would, even if it appeared out of commission.
In my experience...people generally don't even notice me. Though, mine's a color not normally used around here...and the Crown Vic's are rarely in service anymore. They're "old" by now.
I've always thought it must SUCK to be an officer driving all day. Ppl (at least out here) drive slow as hell anyways, then when the fuzz shows up, it's even worse. I've watched a state boy throw his hands in the air and make a FAST right turn to get off the roadway where some tree licker was putting around.
G_Body_Man wrote: In reply to Appleseed: Given that I'm going back to Ontario for college, and since the insurance cutoff for most companies is 96 ($4k a year for a 96 base model Crown Vic), I'm selling the Slamther and buying a P71. Give me 10 months or so, and there will be a lowered, toreador red, widebody P71 in Canada.
Insurance cutoff???
In reply to NGTD:
Anything 96 and earlier most companies won't touch. I like to call it a "cut-off," given the way it's done.
Toyman01 wrote: You can pick up a set of 17" Mustang take offs for $240 shipped, on Ebay. IIRC, the pre 05 cars will need a 1/2" spacer to run them. You can't buy steelies for that. Ebay LinkI wrapped them in Sumitomo HTR Z IIIs and love them.
I just hit the "buy it now" button on a set of these wheels. I'm curious what size tires those are on yours, Toyman.
Thanks!
In reply to ClemSparks:
I'm running 235/55R17 Sumitomo HTR Z III.
G_Body_Man wrote: In reply to NGTD: Anything 96 and earlier most companies won't touch. I like to call it a "cut-off," given the way it's done.
I have zero issues getting insurance on my wife's 1990 VW Cabriolet and I'm in Ontario.
In reply to NGTD:
You aren't G-Body's,age. He's on the young side. That might have something to do with it.
I wish I could say people dont drive different around my car. Hell, I cant lead people anywhere on the highway because cars in the left lane refuse to pass and pull in behind me. It is nuts. I have seriously considered selling the car because of how people drive around it.
Appleseed wrote: In reply to NGTD: You aren't G-Body's,age. He's on the young side. That might have something to do with it.
You're right. In fact, I have just about lapped him twice!
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