preach (fs) said:911T from The Big Chill. Damn I wanted to be a drug dealer with one nut.
I don't think he was a drug dealer with one nut, I think he was just a drug user with one nut.
preach (fs) said:911T from The Big Chill. Damn I wanted to be a drug dealer with one nut.
I don't think he was a drug dealer with one nut, I think he was just a drug user with one nut.
Keith Tanner said:MrFancypants said:Ian F (Forum Supporter) said:68-70 Dodge Chargers. A good looking car made more desirable thanks to a certain TV series as well as more than a few movie roles. I could have bought one in the early 90's, but it would have stretched me a bit. Now prices are so far out of reach it's not likely I'll ever own one.
This particular problem was made worse by all the Chargers destroyed by the show itself.
Not really. Production of the 1969 Charger was about 19,000 cars. The show destroyed roughly 300 of them, or 1.5%.
Sure, but I would say that if you love these cars you'd appreciate an extra 1.5% chance of finding a clean one that wasn't overpriced because people still want to recreate the show's hero car.
In reply to MrFancypants :
Ah, but how many were saved from being scrapped because they were somewhat valuable?
When the show was made, they were just 8-10 year old used cars, nothing special.
MrFancypants said:Keith Tanner said:MrFancypants said:Ian F (Forum Supporter) said:68-70 Dodge Chargers. A good looking car made more desirable thanks to a certain TV series as well as more than a few movie roles. I could have bought one in the early 90's, but it would have stretched me a bit. Now prices are so far out of reach it's not likely I'll ever own one.
This particular problem was made worse by all the Chargers destroyed by the show itself.
Not really. Production of the 1969 Charger was about 19,000 cars. The show destroyed roughly 300 of them, or 1.5%.
Sure, but I would say that if you love these cars you'd appreciate an extra 1.5% chance of finding a clean one that wasn't overpriced because people still want to recreate the show's hero car.
The flip side is something like my CRX. Never the star of a TV show, too old for the F&F crowd so it never became an icon. And that means that they just got used up and thrown away. They were everywhere. Now they're really scarce because almost nobody wants to fix them up.
The odds of a ratty '69 Charger getting saved is much higher because of the Dukes, which I think more than offsets the ones damaged during filming.
"Overpriced" just means "I refuse to acknowlege the state of the market" :)
Pete. (l33t FS) said:In reply to MrFancypants :
Ah, but how many were saved from being scrapped because they were somewhat valuable?
When the show was made, they were just 8-10 year old used cars, nothing special.
For the safety of the stunt drivers I imagine all of these were cars that had straight, strong frames and had reasonably straight bodies. They may or may not have had running engines, but these don't qualify as vehicles with such exotic, expensive, difficult to service engine that it would mean an immediate death sentence. Maybe parked in a field to eventually rot, or saved before rotting. Either way an increased chance for current enthusiasts to get one.
In reply to MrFancypants :
What I mean is what Keith meant: How many cars would have been scrapped because they were rusty or blown up or something, but got saved instead because of that corny TV show making something interesting out of a somewhat forgettable B-body?
You're focusing on the 80 cars destroyed during production, I'm focusing on the other 18,000 that were made that suddenly had cultural significance.
Robbie (Forum Supporter) said:Every single Honda and Acura with vtec because it was going to get stolen?
This. Very much this.
Pete. (l33t FS) said:In reply to MrFancypants :
What I mean is what Keith meant: How many cars would have been scrapped because they were rusty or blown up or something, but got saved instead because of that corny TV show making something interesting out of a somewhat forgettable B-body?
You're focusing on the 80 cars destroyed during production, I'm focusing on the other 18,000 that were made that suddenly had cultural significance.
Man, I don't come here to argue. Had I known that what I thought was a pretty simple statement to add to a conversation would have led to multiple negative interactions with a post I made I wouldn't have even logged in.
I apologize for the controversial post. I had no idea it would have been received like this.
These aren't negative interactions. This is a bunch of people sitting around a table in a bar discussing whether the Dukes of Hazzard was good or bad for the 1969 Charger in the long run when it doesn't really matter at all :)
In reply to Keith Tanner :
Sorry, I'm autistic. Sometimes I can't tell the difference.
Pete. (l33t FS) said:In reply to MrFancypants :
Ah, but how many were saved from being scrapped because they were somewhat valuable?
When the show was made, they were just 8-10 year old used cars, nothing special.
At this time, you're absolutely right. I've seen shells that most would consider scrap metal sell for $10K simply because it had a VIN and could therefore be restored. Pretty much every piece of sheet metal for a Charger can be had. I'm still surprised Dynacorn reproduced the Challenger but not the Charger.
The car used as the stunt car for the last Dukes Fest was not a Charger for this reason. The builder basically decided that a car that was solid enough to be a stunt car was good enough to be restored. Then he figured out a P71 is pretty darned close in dimensions to a Charger. A bit of cutting and welding later, and he had a car that looked like a Charger for stunt driving purposes but was actually a Crown Vic underneath. I did some napkin figuring and determined you could duplicate his work for about $10K, plus the P71. Maybe someday...
The market for Volvo 1800's is almost like that. When I bought my crusty 1800ES 16 years ago for $800, it was a parts car. But now they are valuable enough that while it still needs butt-load of rust repair, it's still a straight car that could be restored without being horrifically upside-down vs value. Or in my case, I have a car I can modify to my liking without concerns about destroying a more original example (like my ex's car).
"Overpriced" is most definitely a term in the eye of the beholder. Staring at my collection of bikes and guitars, I have no right to call anything overpriced. More than I'm willing to pay - perhaps. But not overpriced. The market determined the price of an item and a seller is free to get whatever they can for their items.
Keith Tanner said:"Overpriced" just means "I refuse to acknowlege the state of the market" :)
This is me all day long.............. Rather than give into reality I'm crawled up in the fetal position sucking my thumb cuz I'm to cheap to pay for lollipops.
Windowless white vans. Seriously. If I'm buying something off marketplace, or going on a critter rescue run, I always make sure to mention I'm "in a big, ugly, white van" so they aren't too surprised or creeped out.
anything that is lifted and on A/T's that didn't come that way
E30
'67 Impala
In reply to Uncle David (Forum Supporter) :
Every. Time. I mention I want a 67 Impala it gets assumed I want a 4 door because of Supernatural... no... I want a 2 door because I built a model of one (still have it) when I was 14 and thought it would be a sweet project.
911 Cab. The go-to ride for the creepy evil rich guy.
I'm with Colin's original example: DeLorean. Figure they're all silver (okay, 99.999% of them are silver) and they all look the same.
Ian F (Forum Supporter) said:The car used as the stunt car for the last Dukes Fest was not a Charger for this reason. The builder basically decided that a car that was solid enough to be a stunt car was good enough to be restored. Then he figured out a P71 is pretty darned close in dimensions to a Charger. A bit of cutting and welding later, and he had a car that looked like a Charger for stunt driving purposes but was actually a Crown Vic underneath.
! That just made my day. I was driving thru LA shorly before that film came out and saw a car carrier with 5 of them on it. When the movie came out I was bummed that they'd probably been on their version of a cattle car.
I, too, always considered the show to be auto enthusiast treachery; that's an interesting long-run perspective that they've been saved from destruction simply because of the icon status.
Forgettable, though, they certainly are not. They, along with the RoadRunner have the classiest subtle lines, hinting at muscle rather than in-your-face like my other favorite, the Chevelle. Gorgeous cars in the darker colors.
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