I too hated the C4C deal. I was working a summer job at a Subaru dealer when the stimulus was put into place. I saw a lot of really nice cars come through that I would have gladly purchased at scrap value.
But, I suppose there was at least one good thing that came out of it. It seems that some cars handled the invasive liquid glass more than others. I hypothesize that the cars that ran longest on liquid glass are most likely to handle long term service on the road.
Anyone happen to know what were the winners of the C4C clunk off?
Any jeep with a 4.0L I-6......
Since nothing can really cope with that, I'd assume it had more to do with what oiling systems or drain paths relative to crank or cam locations got it in a "bad place" the quickest, which may not equate to ability to not wear themselves out in normal service...
Of course, I don't really know. That's just the first thing that springs to mind.
Here is a red block Volvo turbo, refusing to go quietly:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EBVxJEwyIA
5.0L Ford
Whatever had the loosest tolerances. The older the better, probably.
I would imagine a Slant 6.
mguar wrote: I know how tough those motors are.. In my race car the oil pressure dropped to zero when I'd hit the brakes for a corner and wouldn't pop back up until well past the apex and accelerating hard.. it would to that 14 times a lap on eavh hard braking corner.. Start out with 150psi+ and at the end of the weekend run down the straight with 15-20 ponds on the dial During the week I'd drop the oil pan and slide in a new set of bearings, bolt it up, fill it back up with all 22 quarts of oil and have 150psi+ again.. I raced that car for almost a decade before I finally broke down and bought a dry sump for it.. (yes the pan is well baffled from the factory and no baffle system ever worked better than the stock one did..
....150psi of oil pressure?....
Most of the Slant Sixes were too old for the program, werent they?
92CelicaHalfTrac wrote: ....150psi of oil pressure?....
I feel like we should quote that into the "stories" thread! 
Of course the longest running C4C car was a Jaguar. Of course.
I'm still not sad that the supply of crappy 90s explorers is diminished.
Javelin wrote:92CelicaHalfTrac wrote: ....150psi of oil pressure?....I feel like we should quote that into the "stories" thread!
I feel like we should quote half of the Jaguar-related posts made on this forum in the last year into the "stories" thread.
I mean, i have a motor that will probably see 60psi at hot idle, but i don't even want to know how far you'd have to shim a pump relief valve to see 150psi of oil pressure at any point...
In reply to 92CelicaHalfTrac:
Ahahahahahaaaaa!!!! Do it! Do it!!! 
MCarp22 wrote: I'm still not sad that the supply of crappy 90s explorers is diminished.
sure wouldn't mind finding a good explorer rear end with posi for cheap though... :-/
In reply to 92CelicaHalfTrac:
And I thought mine was weird......70psi at cold idle, 15psi at hot idle.....hot 3k rpm is 50psi though, about 55-60psi at 7400....most of the sho guys think I have too much....
MCarp22 wrote: I'm still not sad that the supply of crappy 90s explorers is diminished.
Think of the poor 5.0s!
The local junkyard said that one of their C4C 5.0's still started after getting it, but ran like crap for some strange reason.
92CelicaHalfTrac wrote: I mean, i have a motor that will probably see 60psi at hot idle, but i don't even want to know how far you'd have to shim a pump relief valve to see 150psi of oil pressure at any point...
Maybe that's why they leak oil so much? Blew the seals out from 150psi? :)
Appleseed wrote:MCarp22 wrote: I'm still not sad that the supply of crappy 90s explorers is diminished.Think of the poor 5.0s!
99% of them had the crappy Cologne 4.0 or 2.9. I'm not losing sleep over it, either.
nocones wrote: Of course the longest running C4C car was a Jaguar. Of course.
I'm shocked it wasn't a 400,000 mile Chevy truck.
turbojunker wrote:nocones wrote: Of course the longest running C4C car was a Jaguar. Of course.I'm shocked it wasn't a 400,000 mile Chevy truck.
Those couldn't be C4C'd because they get >25mpg. I really thought it would win but forgot they didn't qualify.
Javelin wrote:92CelicaHalfTrac wrote: ....150psi of oil pressure?....I feel like we should quote that into the "stories" thread!
+1'd it.
I worked at a Nissan dealership during the program, and we timed nearly all of the cars that we blew up (more than 100). The specific directions on the "liquid glass" bottle were to drain the oil, add the stuff, then hold at approximately 2,000 rpms until motor seized. So we would drain the oil, drive the cars to a parking spot easily accessible to the tow truck, pour the fun stuff in, and hold it at 2k, just as directed. The quickest death went to an old Lincoln Town Car, which didn't even last 30 seconds. On the other end of the scale was an old Ford F-150 Flareside-it lasted more than 20 mins, with the last 5 or so mins at wide open throttle. Needless to say we were all really surprised. We also had another old F-150 but with a straight 6, and it lasted 11 or 12 minutes if I recall. Most vehicles lasted in the 5-7 minute range, though. Being totally anti-Ford, I was not happy about either of these.
My favorites were the old RWD Cougar and early 90's 5 series that I blew up-I did an impressive burnout with each until they locked up. The Cougar pretty much disappeared in the smoke!
The saddest one was an 88 2 door Pathfinder that looked garage kept. It was pristine-low miles, 4wd, 5 speed, perfect interior-and we all wanted to buy it but instead had to blow it up. Sad, sad day.
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