Why do these things always come up at the wrong time?

Not sure about the Certified Pre-owned claim, but...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Honda-Civic-/181104620161?ViewItem=&item=181104620161&forcev4exp=true#ht_530wt_1165

dang good thing It's as far away as it is ... AND a good thing that I don't have an extra $10,000 lying around

Look at that, it's from my neck of the woods. It's an ex Civic-cup car. That was a really popular race series around here. You used to be able to pick those old clapped-out Civics for next to nothing. Still not convinced about $10k.

In reply to fanfoy:

The price may be high, or maybe not. I'd have to look at it closely and drive it. For me that would decide if it's a $5k or $10k car. My hunch is that it's overpriced by $3-5k, but it is still a way cool car as far as I'm concerned.
But it's too far away and I'm in shrinking mode, not expanding mode right now as far as automotive toys go, so I won't be finding out. Did the cup cars have the twin cam engine swap?

The Civic cup was a "bone-stock" championship with all the cars as close to stock, and to each other as possible. I'm too young to have seen it in person, but I saw some footage of it (use to be on re-runs on TV), and it made for some close racing.

It was so popular, that they did the same thing again a couple of years later with the Toyota Echo's.

I saw those in action, and it made for a very fun championship. You can haev those Echo Cup cars in perfect ready to race shape for about $4k, so that's why I find the $10k Civic expensive.

as asked above .. did the '79 come with a twin cam ? and would all that fiberglass = a bone stock Civic Cup race car ?

can you imagine how much fun 125 hp would be in something that light ??? wonder what class (SCCA a-x) and NASA-TT that car fit in ....

In reply to wbjones:

No, they didn't come with a twin cam. My question was if the cup cars had the engine swapped, not if the '79 came with the twin cam. That's likely a ZC or Integra engine that didn't come out until the mid-late 80's.

wbjones wrote: as asked above .. did the '79 come with a twin cam ? and would all that fiberglass = a bone stock Civic Cup race car ? can you imagine how much fun 125 hp would be in something that light ??? wonder what class (SCCA a-x) and NASA-TT that car fit in ....

This car has evolved a lot from its Civic Cup days. No, the twin-cam is from an Integra. It's written in the ad. Originally, they had a little SOHC 1.3 if I remember correctly. The fiberglass was probably brought on by the contacts during the racing, and rust. Also, if I remember correctly, these were not that light (like around 2200 lbs). About the same as an early Civic Si

bravenrace wrote: In reply to wbjones: No, they didn't come with a twin cam. My question was if the cup cars had the engine swapped, not if the '79 came with the twin cam. That's likely a ZC or Integra engine that didn't come out until the mid-late 80's.

To answer your question, no the Civic Cup was on when they were brand new cars. So that engine was swapped in long after its racing career was over.

fanfoy wrote:

wbjones wrote: as asked above .. did the '79 come with a twin cam ? and would all that fiberglass = a bone stock Civic Cup race car ? can you imagine how much fun 125 hp would be in something that light ??? wonder what class (SCCA a-x) and NASA-TT that car fit in ....

This car has evolved a lot from its Civic Cup days. No, the twin-cam is from an Integra. It's written in the ad. Originally, they had a little SOHC 1.3 if I remember correctly. The fiberglass was probably brought on by the contacts during the racing, and rust. Also, if I remember correctly, these were not that light (like around 2200 lbs). About the same as an early Civic Si

ok ... thanks .. I would have thought that about the engine ( my '76 was a 1.2L) ... really didn't realize they were that heavy .. that's about the same as my '91 CRX

In reply to bravenrace:

It is certainly pre owned as someone owns it right now.

wbjones wrote:

fanfoy wrote:

wbjones wrote: as asked above .. did the '79 come with a twin cam ? and would all that fiberglass = a bone stock Civic Cup race car ? can you imagine how much fun 125 hp would be in something that light ??? wonder what class (SCCA a-x) and NASA-TT that car fit in ....

This car has evolved a lot from its Civic Cup days. No, the twin-cam is from an Integra. It's written in the ad. Originally, they had a little SOHC 1.3 if I remember correctly. The fiberglass was probably brought on by the contacts during the racing, and rust. Also, if I remember correctly, these were not that light (like around 2200 lbs). About the same as an early Civic Si

ok ... thanks .. I would have thought that about the engine ( my '76 was a 1.2L) ... really didn't realize they were that heavy .. that's about the same as my '91 CRX

The curb weight of the '79 hatch was 1609 lbs, so it's not that heavy.

bravenrace wrote:

wbjones wrote:

fanfoy wrote:

wbjones wrote: as asked above .. did the '79 come with a twin cam ? and would all that fiberglass = a bone stock Civic Cup race car ? can you imagine how much fun 125 hp would be in something that light ??? wonder what class (SCCA a-x) and NASA-TT that car fit in ....

This car has evolved a lot from its Civic Cup days. No, the twin-cam is from an Integra. It's written in the ad. Originally, they had a little SOHC 1.3 if I remember correctly. The fiberglass was probably brought on by the contacts during the racing, and rust. Also, if I remember correctly, these were not that light (like around 2200 lbs). About the same as an early Civic Si

ok ... thanks .. I would have thought that about the engine ( my '76 was a 1.2L) ... really didn't realize they were that heavy .. that's about the same as my '91 CRX

The curb weight of the '79 hatch was 1609 lbs, so it's not that heavy.

According to the NHTSA it's 2166 lbs, so I wasn't far off.

Those are some pretty obscure, late first generation Accord factory alloys. Cool.

1981 Accord SE, with leather!

In reply to fanfoy:

Uh, no. Those numbers are way off, and they aren't NHTSA numbers, they are Wikipedia numbers claiming to be NHTSA numbers. I don't have time to go look them up on the NHTSA website, but I suspect that the numbers listed are gross weights, not curb weights. Either that or they're for a heavier version of the car or are just wrong, but in any case they aren't correct. I've owned a '79 Civic hatch, and mine was right around 1550 lbs. I currently own a '90 hatch that I've had weighed. It weighs 2177 lbs., so you can see that they're numbers for that car are off also.

fanfoy wrote:

bravenrace wrote: The curb weight of the '79 hatch was 1609 lbs, so it's not that heavy.

According to the NHTSA it's 2166 lbs, so I wasn't far off.

No, the cars weighed between 1600 and 1700 lbs. I've built autocross versions and we had them on the scales in stock form so we could see how much you could get out of them (not much, in fact).

http://www.automobile-catalog.com/car/1979/1089485/honda_civic.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Civic_(first_generation)

so ..... like I said, 125 - 130 hp in a 1600# car should be a lot of fun

In reply to wbjones:

Yes.

bravenrace wrote: In reply to fanfoy: Uh, no. Those numbers are way off, and they aren't NHTSA numbers, they are Wikipedia numbers claiming to be NHTSA numbers. I don't have time to go look them up on the NHTSA website, but I suspect that the numbers listed are gross weights, not curb weights. Either that or they're for a heavier version of the car or are just wrong, but in any case they aren't correct. I've owned a '79 Civic hatch, and mine was right around 1550 lbs. I currently own a '90 hatch that I've had weighed. It weighs 2177 lbs., so you can see that they're numbers for that car are off also.

You are right Bravenrace. I checked the NHTSA site and 2166 is the test weight. The official curb weight is 1690 lbs. See here for the full dry report. The NHTSA site's really easy to search.

I just remembered someone telling me they weren't as light as you'd expect. But I'm too young to be an expert on those. I barely had my licence when the last of them disappeared into a cloud of iron oxide.

So wbjones, yes it should be fast.

Chris_V, did that generation have the double wishbone suspension like the later generations?

No, it has a strut front and rear suspension.