Flight Service wrote: Come on over and join the other 5 pages we have on it. 2015 us chevy colorado Diesel is in there too.
For serious. 
Flight Service wrote: Come on over and join the other 5 pages we have on it. 2015 us chevy colorado Diesel is in there too.
For serious.
We watched this and had planned on waiting to purchase this next year. Even special ordering one this fall. Though, we had been thinking of 6 spd as a big wig made mention it MAY happen.
Now it gets put into the highest trim options only. Yea, no hope of a manual trans with that. Add that our DD got totalled earlier in the year our hand got forced and we have a vehicle that can tow already.
You don't want a stick behind a modern turbo diesel, very narrow powerband, not fun to drive. At least that's how the Ford 3.2 is.
I can spec out a ram 1500 quad cab eco-diesel for about the same price as I can build a Canyon/Colorado diesel. Will it be as nice inside? No but modern trucks are pretty damn comfortable regardless of trim level anymore. Trust me I'm more than willing to lose a giant touchscreen radio and different seat fabric to save a ton of money.
Too bad though, a baselevel Canyon with a diesel, automatic or not, in a extended cab was just the truck I've been wanting for close to a decade.
Knurled wrote:bigdaddylee82 wrote: The diesel’s base price $33,520 for the Chevy and $34,875 for the GMC, and that's not even 4x4.Price out what a similar Silverado or F-150 would be. The Colorado/Canyon would be about HALF the price of a fullsize. There's your googly eye smiley.Only available on the top 2 trim levels for both makes, only available in a 4 door, and only with an auto. 396 lb ft of torque from a 2.8l is impressive though. http://blog.caranddriver.com/2016-chevrolet-colorado-and-gmc-canyon-duramax-diesel-details-and-pricing-released/ I had higher hopes than I should have. I've seen a handful of the Colorados in the wild now, they really don't do anything for me. I don't think I've seen a Canyon yet. I haven't been in either, but as much as I want a diesel in a little pick up, they've, "gee wizzed," and priced me out of their market demographic.
Curmudgeon wrote: Yep, the Isuzu D Max is a Colorado chassis is with Isuzu sheet metal and they are already available with the oil burner overseas. Basically GM will slap different front fenders and badges on the D Max to create the Colorado/Canyon.
I wonder if they all will be off road gearing ? assuming I would ever pay new truck (and diesel) prices, I would want highway (towing) gearing
bigdaddylee82 wrote: The diesel’s base price $33,520 for the Chevy and $34,875 for the GMC, and that's not even 4x4.
oh well … that answered most of my questions … don't see me ever having one of them … (unless lotto numbers hit …LOL)
PHeller wrote: Base/Fleet model. 4x4. 6spd. Then I'm in.
this … and I'd even live with the auto … my steep a$$ driveway is way easier to creep up (towing ..low range) if an automatic … otherwise I'd much prefer a manual
skierd wrote: I can spec out a ram 1500 quad cab eco-diesel for about the same price as I can build a Canyon/Colorado diesel. Will it be as nice inside? No but modern trucks are pretty damn comfortable regardless of trim level anymore. Trust me I'm more than willing to lose a giant touchscreen radio and different seat fabric to save a ton of money. Too bad though, a baselevel Canyon with a diesel, automatic or not, in a extended cab was just the truck I've been wanting for close to a decade.
exactly what I would buy … assuming if anyone would make it … and keep it under $30k
30+ grand 
interesting math....
Today's average US gas price is $2.67, diesel is $2.73
Colorado gas V6 hwy mileage is listed as 26mpg.
Difference in $ per mile in fuel cost if the diesel gets 35mpg - $0.02 ;
Mileage driven to recoup $3,730 diesel option cost - 151,059.19 miles
Difference in $ per mile in fuel cost if the diesel gets 30mpg - $0.01 ;
Mileage driven to recoup $3,730 diesel option cost - 319,013.16 miles
If it requires DEF to run? You can't ever break even. If you financed that truck? You'll break even sometime in the middle of your kid's lifespan.
So...I guess the only reason to buy a small diesel these days is the Bro Image.
In reply to ultraclyde:
or the fact the engine will go 500k
yeah...maybe. I wouldn't bet on that yet. The full size stuff might, but this is a much less proven entity. Even with full size diesels, I think a half million miles might be an outlier. We've talked about similar outliers (300k miles, say) in gas engines on this forum.
But I'll offset that with two problems - most people who buy a truck new aren't the ones that drive a truck to 500,000 miles, or even 200,000.
Secondly - Sure the engine may last 500k, but will the rest of the truck still be viable then? I have my doubts.
and again - if you finance it and/or it requires DEF, fuggedaboutit. Same if diesel prices increase their margin on gas.
I don't get you guys that are asking for a manual gearbox behind a diesel. Have any of you ever driven one, or worse yet, towed with one? Diesels are for doing a real truck work. Doing real truck work with a manual gearbox gets old really fast.
Is the desire for manual gearboxes is driven by fear of costly automatic transmissions failing? I can understand that, but I still wouldn't buy a manual for a truck destined to do real truck work, or any diesel.
Yes, we all love driving manuals. But for anything over mid size car, I will take auto. I've DD'ed a full size, ex cab long bed 4x4 with a stick. I have no desire to deal with that again.
HappyAndy wrote: Is the desire for manual gearboxes is driven by fear of costly automatic transmissions failing?
Nailed it, but in all honesty if the auto box will last 200k before needing rebuild/replacement; even if it it's a $6k repair, I'd rather plan on that as a "maintenance" cost and have the automatic for daily use. The only thing more soul-sucking then an automatic, is a manual in a truck.
Yes, we had a 2012 Ram with a 6spd. Towed a 21000+# trailer. Loved it. The only downer was the crap clutch from the factory and that they held torque out of it at low RPM to not blow it up.
My dad has an automatic version of the same truck. He had more off the line, but I still preferred ours. Was the auto bad, no by any means. Me and the wife both prefer a manual trans over the auto. I do realize this is a full size big truck compared to a smaller one that is about the size of our 96 F250..., but I stand behind wanting a manual.
This likely suggests I need to log some couch time with a therapist to deal with my apparent OCD but…
Why, why does the Berkleying rear window chin line sweep as it moves rearward??? I understand they need to do this with many passenger cars because their rear wheel arch requires the rear window to have a corresponding scalloped notch which would be exposed when the window was up if not for the chin line sweep up thingy. But there’s no need for it on this truck and I think it creates an annoying, cluttered, incongruent look.
I know this is a really frivolous criticism but it literally prevents me from being in “love” with the truck. If I was in love, I might do something stupid and just spontaneously go out and buy one on a whim (wife has already given her blessings) but I’m not, so I won’t.
I’m sorry to interrupt this otherwise rational conversation about total cost of ownership and manual transmission livability but does anyone else agree or at least understand how this seemingly minor cosmetic issue somehow winds up being a big deal???
Oh, and yes, the irony of someone that drives what amounts to a grasshopper on crack having esthetic issues hasn’t escaped me.
ultraclyde wrote: interesting math.... Today's average US gas price is $2.67, diesel is $2.73 Colorado gas V6 hwy mileage is listed as 26mpg. Difference in $ per mile in fuel cost if the diesel gets 35mpg - $0.02 ; Mileage driven to recoup $3,730 diesel option cost - 151,059.19 miles Difference in $ per mile in fuel cost if the diesel gets 30mpg - $0.01 ; Mileage driven to recoup $3,730 diesel option cost - 319,013.16 miles If it requires DEF to run? You can't ever break even. If you financed that truck? You'll break even sometime in the middle of your kid's lifespan. So...I guess the only reason to buy a small diesel these days is the Bro Image.
Your math is off.
A friend has a ram ecodiesel that AVERAGES 8.0L/100kms of mostly in city daily driving, and knocks down 7.0L/100kms of strictly highway driving.
A comparable v6 ram would be about 12-13L/100kms city and 9-10L/100kms highway. And could tow less. So you definitely would earn it back. But at the end of the day, that's not all that matters, in the ecodiesels case, it makes 420torques at 2000rpm and can tow 9200lbs.
In reply to HiTempguy:
no, I'm specifically talking about the Colorado here, not all the others. This a thread about COLORADOS and the GMC version of the same. Not diesel vs gas. That thread is elsewhere.
I'm using published highway mileage numbers for the gas V6 (26) since it's the closest in capability to the diesel. The MPG of the diesel hasn't been released but most speculation puts it between 30 and 35. Divide $/gal by miles/gal and you get $/mile. As simple as it gets. And not wrong.
Towing capacity increases with the diesel COLORADO, but only by 700lbs. It does have more torque, but if it doesn't increase you capacity a lot, what does it matter?
ultraclyde wrote: Towing capacity increases with the diesel COLORADO, but only by 700lbs. It does have more torque, but if it doesn't increase you capacity a lot, what does it matter?
I think you are missing the point. You are understating the mpg benefits by a significant margin. And just because the towing capacity changes a small amount, does not mean the effort of towing won't be significantly reduced (which it will with an extra 120torques 3000rpm lower).
My post was to demonstrate how this isn't clearly shown just by "the numbers" you've quoted. The savings are there, and they are significant over a 10 year period.
Doing rough back of the napkin math... using Dodge's estimate on the builder for a Ram 1500, the diesel costs me about $57 more per month. So let's say the canyons is $55 a month for round numbers.
22mpg mixed for the v6, and guessing the target is 30mpg mixed for the diesel. I drive 2000 miles a month. Fuel costs with gas in my state $3.50/gal for both regular gas and diesel as of today put me at 320/month for gas and $235/month for diesel. So I save roughly $30/month with the diesel, in like trucks. Not a big deal, but it's a savings.
Or, I won't spend more than my current Mazda 6 on gas if I were to switch, but add the capabilities of a 4x4 truck that can haul 5000 pounds.
That's the pricing rub for me, I don't want to end up doubling my car payment just to get a reasonably efficient truck. Nor do I want to add 50%+ to my payments AND add 50% to my fuel costs because I don't want to pay up front for a diesel. $40k is just too much money right now for a vehicle.
captdownshift wrote: In reply to ultraclyde: or the fact the engine will go 500k
The 70s called, they want their gas engines back.
Modern gas engines last a very long time. I see a lot of 4.8/5.3/6.0 with over 300k and the worst mechanical issue they get is the oil pump pickup O-ring shrinks and they lose oil pressure. Drop pan, replace O-ring and pan gasket (it's usually drooling pressurized oil at this point too) and slap a done sticker on it.
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