stroker
stroker PowerDork
4/1/24 12:08 p.m.

Not to be confused with "The Three Body Problem" currently streaming.  The latter is an anglicized version of the former and it's a bit confusing.  I read the original novel and was very confused.  I'm into episode seven of the DVD set and I'm very pleasantly surprised at how good it is.  But the reason I started the post is my incredulity at how forcefully the characters are embracing and endorsing "Western" values as they apply to the scientific method.  I was expecting at least a nominal hat-tip towards political correctness on the part of a Chinese drama.  But the part I really like is how endearing the characters are.  Maybe it's just me, but typically Asian characters in Western dramas (by comparison to 3  Body) are pretty two dimensional--maybe it's just that these characters are fully fleshed out over 30 episodes.  

My only quibble is the subtitles were clearly written by somebody for whom English was a second language.  They can be a bit confusing sometimes.   

aw614
aw614 HalfDork
4/1/24 12:17 p.m.

I just started the third book and plan on watching the Tencent version after I finish. Some of the changes I read on the Netflix version kind of bother me with regards to the characters being changed follow a typical Hollywood thing. 

I do think I need to reread the books again at another time as I feel I missed some small details. 

Racebrick
Racebrick HalfDork
4/1/24 12:29 p.m.

What are western values as they apply to the scientific method?

stroker
stroker PowerDork
4/1/24 1:16 p.m.

In reply to Racebrick :

"Truth" as a scientific absolute.  Treading dangerously close to the "politics" line to bring up deviations from this recently (<cough>COVID<cough>) but my impression is that Sino/Soviet scientists were much more concerned than Western scientists about results running contrary to ideology.  Maybe I'm wrong.

aircooled
aircooled MegaDork
4/1/24 5:08 p.m.

I think they deal with this a bit in the Netfilx version, where the Chinese physicist is being disciplined for using the "western" ideas of Einstein (!) and leaving room for unknowns in his science teachings which could potentially leave room for the concept of a god to explain those (Communism is very much non/anti-religious).  Most anything "western" to the communists is considered capitalistic (which takes a wild stretch sometimes) and thus wrong.

 

Also of note, and commonly misunderstood, science is not about absolute "truths".  Science is the process of determining the likelihood of an assertion being correct (or more correctly, the likelihood of it being incorrect).  

To say science is truth, is a fundamental misunderstanding of what science is.  More like "best guess at this point, based on what we know at this point".  

Also of importance is one of the fundamental aspects of science, is to always question science.  So to say something like "always believe in science" is essential a fundamental misunderstanding of science, most especially from other scientists.  Unless of course you mean "always believe in the scientific process", which of course very much involves questioning science.

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