Another day, another symbol of dystopia.

Well, kinda dystopia.  

What happens when you take a picture that includes a pantone color?

This is very relevant to stuff I do at work.  How do they know a Pantone color is in your pdf?

In reply to ProDarwin :

Same way you choose a color with the eyedropper, I assume.  As it opens the file it probably scans everything looking for one of the color combo codes 

From what I read in the reddit thread I found this on, there are only ~1300 Pantone colors, that Vs the billions of other possible colors ends up making it extremely unlikely that you'll end up with one in your file on random.

I read that statement as the palette is going away, not the rgb value. If you selected the color via the Solid Coated palette, it will now default to black. The colors keep their "identity" as a palette swatch color, they're not simplified. 

So this is unlikely to affect anyone who doesn't specifically use the swatches. Might get me, though...

I am so tired of licensed subscription everything. 

I understand that everyone has to make money.   But what was wrong with whatever way it was Pantone was making money before?  What was wrong with the way Adobe was making money back before Creative Cloud..  

I just wanna buy stuff and own it.  Why is this hard.

This is pretty on brand for Pantone, from what I can tell. It's never been cheap and has always been monetized. 

ProDarwin said:

This is very relevant to stuff I do at work.  How do they know a Pantone color is in your pdf?

Stuart Semple has (potentially) a solution

https://www.culturehustleusa.com/products/freetone

Ok, I see.  I should be good then, we don't use Pantone tools integrated into Adobe, we have the physical color books and reference those samples in our documents/presentations.

Freetone would be a no-go - the whole point of Pantone is that in many industries it is a standard, and a physical sample can easily be obtained for color matching.

So it really seems more like they are licensing their tool.  Weird, but ok whatever.  Maybe the market will show that was a bad idea.  I don't think tool licensing is a bad idea at all for creators, but if everyone the distribute PDFs to needs it... that's crazypants.

nocones said:

I am so tired of licensed subscription everything. 

I understand that everyone has to make money.   But what was wrong with whatever way it was Pantone was making money before?  What was wrong with the way Adobe was making money back before Creative Cloud..  

I just wanna buy stuff and own it.  Why is this hard.

Depending on your specific software, the subscription model can make more sense for the user as well. I'll give you an example of my previous two jobs where I converted their publishing systems to MadCap Flare. 

The first company I did this for, the software package was $1699, a year of "Gold level" support was another $500/yr.......and every time a new version came out, typically annually, you had pay for the upgrade and more support. And if you didn't pay for the monthly support, you had pay for each call you made. And when implementing a completely new system with no internal IT support, you can imagine the number of calls that were made. 

The 2nd company, MadCap Flare had moved to a subscription model. Back in 2016 it was ~$100 month and came with Gold Level support and you automatically received all updates at no additional cost. 

I'll let you do the math/convenience numbers on that. 

In reply to z31maniac :

Sure it does in some case but at least give the option to buy it out right.

ProDarwin said:

Ok, I see.  I should be good then, we don't use Pantone tools integrated into Adobe, we have the physical color books and reference those samples in our documents/presentations.

Freetone would be a no-go - the whole point of Pantone is that in many industries it is a standard, and a physical sample can easily be obtained for color matching.

So it really seems more like they are licensing their tool.  Weird, but ok whatever.  Maybe the market will show that was a bad idea.  I don't think tool licensing is a bad idea at all for creators, but if everyone the distribute PDFs to needs it... that's crazypants.

Note that the original post specifies Photoshop, Illustrator and InDesign. Those are all creator tools.

ProDarwin said:

Freetone would be a no-go - the whole point of Pantone is that in many industries it is a standard, and a physical sample can easily be obtained for color matching.

I think you maybe missed the idea behind Freetone.  As I see it. You could design everything properly using it, then just change the color codes of the final product to the Pantone colors and send it out to the printer.  Itll look black on black on black om your side as you don't have the Pantone license, but the printer will.

You get the proof back, verify the colors are in the right spots, sign off on it and send it.

It's a frustrating additional step, but I could definitely see it being useful for a smaller shop, or someone that is tired of Pantone's BS.

Mr_Asa said:

ProDarwin said:

This is very relevant to stuff I do at work.  How do they know a Pantone color is in your pdf?

Stuart Semple has (potentially) a solution

https://www.culturehustleusa.com/products/freetone

I recently learned about Stuart Semple. He seems like a pretty amusing guy. His feud with the guy that created Vantablack, Anish Kapoor, is absolutely hysterical.

Mr_Asa said:

 just change the color codes of the final product to the Pantone colors and send it out to the printer. 

Printer?  What is this arcane technology of which you speak?

ProDarwin said:

Mr_Asa said:

 just change the color codes of the final product to the Pantone colors and send it out to the printer. 

Printer?  What is this arcane technology of which you speak?

Touche, salesman.

Mr_Asa said:

In reply to ProDarwin :

Same way you choose a color with the eyedropper, I assume.  As it opens the file it probably scans everything looking for one of the color combo codes 

From what I read in the reddit thread I found this on, there are only ~1300 Pantone colors, that Vs the billions of other possible colors ends up making it extremely unlikely that you'll end up with one in your file on random.

It seems like you can convert a Pantone swatch to CMYK or RGB and will get only a slightly different swatch.  I copied a Pantone swatch and converted it to CMYK, and you can see they don't match perfectly, but still really similar. 

93EXCivic said:

In reply to z31maniac :

Sure it does in some case but at least give the option to buy it out right.

Not my pig, not my farm. 

I was just illustrating that it's not always bad.