Badmotorfinger

Twenty-three years goes by quickly, huh? Louder Than Love had already gotten our attention, but Badmotorfinger left a mark, too. It dropped 23 years ago today.

I played that one a few times. 23 years. Sigh.

Wow. Unbelievable. That was my first "big show." They opened for G&R at Joe Robbie stadium.

"...The Devil says...."

Great record but good lord Chris Cornell is the only millionaire singer who sucks worse than Anthony Kiedis live.

Ah, yes. The last era when heavy rock with actual guitars could make the charts consistently and get radio play. I was more partial to "Superunknown", but "Badmotorfinger" was a damn good album, too.

Is better than Superunknown

YES. Great album!

I remember getting this cassette in 5th grade (along with the first Stone Temple Pilots album) from a friend for my birthday. I believe that was January 1993. My mind was blown. My favorite track is still Rusty Cage. Great opener to a great album.

Also, I have a special place in my heart for Superunknown. That album always reminds me of the summer between 5th and 6th grade. I remember it being extremely hot and dry that summer, and there was a little covered foot bridge near the town high school that had a tunnel under the road underneath, and it was all dried up under there so we used to go there and raise hell. That album was on repeat throughout most of those days. Every time I hear Black Hole Sun, I'm transported to that place, raising hell with my friends.

I'm gonna take a wild guess:

The people who think: Superunknown > Badmotorfinger. also think "Black Album" > Justce.

If I'm right, I hope you die in a fire.

"Jesus Christ Pose" gets me in "That place." Superunknown was a berkeleying generic bag of ass berkeley. I'd like to think Kim Thayil would tell you the same.

And yes. I'm unrepentantly starting an argument over "nothing."

Which one if the Road Rash series had Rusty Cage in it? I thought I found it at a yard sale a while ago but it must have been a later one because it sucked compared to that one.

Oh, and I completely agree with poopshovel.

Badmotorfinger doesn't have a dud on it. Starts at 10 with Rusty Cage and continues all the way through.

I saw Metallica on the Black tour. Fortunately they played a lot of Justice.

And I know that poop's not a fan, but I am enjoying King Animal.

poopshovel wrote: I'm gonna take a wild guess: The people who think: Superunknown > Badmotorfinger. also think "Black Album" > Justce. If I'm right, I hope you die in a fire. "Jesus Christ Pose" gets me in "That place." Superunknown was a berkeleying generic bag of ass berkeley. I'd like to think Kim Thayil would tell you the same. And yes. I'm unrepentantly starting an argument over "nothing."

Well, almost.

I think Superunknown is better, and I think Justice is light years better than Black.

z31maniac wrote:

poopshovel wrote: I'm gonna take a wild guess: The people who think: Superunknown > Badmotorfinger. also think "Black Album" > Justce. If I'm right, I hope you die in a fire. "Jesus Christ Pose" gets me in "That place." Superunknown was a berkeleying generic bag of ass berkeley. I'd like to think Kim Thayil would tell you the same. And yes. I'm unrepentantly starting an argument over "nothing."

Well, almost. I think Superunknown is better, and I think Justice is light years better than Black.

Never been a huge fan of Justice, but it's irrelevant anyhow, because both are so far behind Ride the Lightning it doesn't matter.

In reply to Tom_Spangler:

I'm not a fan of Ride the Lightning, I'd put Kill 'em All in front of that.

I believe that Lightning is the Metallica album that doesn't get its due: Creeping Death? Call of Ktulu? Fade to Black? Trapped Under Ice? All are stellar songs.

David S. Wallens wrote: I believe that Lightning is the Metallica album that doesn't get its due: Creeping Death? Call of Ktulu? Fade to Black? Trapped Under Ice? All are stellar songs.

For Whom the Bell Tolls, the title track, Fight Fire With Fire.... you really can't go wrong.

Nick, I'd put any of the first three albums pretty far ahead of the later stuff. Cliff Burton (and to a lesser extent, Dave Mustaine) FTW.

Death Magnetic beats all. I love that album.

Not interesting or relevant to the conversation but I'm telling you any way.

I had a Green Jello CD from before they were sued and had to change their name to Green Jelly. A friend of my cousin saw it and went crazy over it. We made a trade, I got his entire Metallica and Megadeth collection.

I think I got the better end of that deal.

True story: I haven't bought a Metallic album since the black album. What was that, like 10 years ago?

Best Megadeth song: http://youtu.be/cwYTVAXng6Y

That's the album where they put Beavis on the drum kit, right?

It's not how fast you can play, Lars, it's how well you can play.

logdog wrote: Death Magnetic beats all. I love that album.

Trans_Maro wrote: That's the album where they put Beavis on the drum kit, right? It's not how fast you can play, Lars, it's how well you can play.

logdog wrote: Death Magnetic beats all. I love that album.

Saiiiiiint aaaaaaaanger round my neeeeeck.

mndsm wrote:

Trans_Maro wrote: That's the album where they put Beavis on the drum kit, right? It's not how fast you can play, Lars, it's how well you can play.

logdog wrote: Death Magnetic beats all. I love that album.

Saiiiiiint aaaaaaaanger round my neeeeeck.

Is that the one where they go to therapy and hold hands and cry and talk about how mommy and daddy didn't hug them enough? So metal.

Soundgarden when they were awesome:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Rei5VFFtO8

Kim Thayil...remaining awesome \m/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_DS8Fc0w0c

I was never in a band that stuck together for more than a demo or two but I have to imagine its really tough to deal with your own fans when you have a long career.

If a band changes sound in any way or attempts to grow, their "old stuff" fans dont like it. There are countless examples of that.

If a band cranks out the exact same stuff they either loose relevance or people just dont buy the new music. Look at AC/DC. I DJed a party last and weekend people LOVE "You Shook Me All Night Long". If I had played "Big Jack" off of Black Ice the crowd would have just stared at me.

I love Slipknot. I have thought all 3 songs off the new album Ive heard were killer. I will buy the album the day it comes out. However many people I have talked to about it think its sucks because - Joey is gone - Paul is dead - its not Iowa - Corey has short hair -some other bull reason that they made up because these songs didnt come out 10 years ago.

No matter what band you talk about people will say the only good stuff from them was what the listener enjoyed in high school. Any music made by any artist once you get older than 25 automatically sucks.

YMMV of course!

I have been listening to Metal since age 3. I am now 32, and there are still new bands that I discover that do it for me, as well as new work from older artists that is still relevant.

Two examples:

New band: Pallbearer.

This Doom Metal band debuted a few years ago. They have two full length albums to date, and both are among my favorites in the Doom Metal genre. They absolutely slay it live as well.

Older act still kicking ass: Accept

Accept has been around for longer than I have, enjoying a long and storied career of crafting precision Traditional Metal in the finest German tradition. Back in the 80's, they had some hits, such as the favorite Balls to the Wall, Fast as a Shark, and others, all under the vocal command of Udo Dirkschneider. After he left the band, and returned, and left, and returned, and left yet again, they recruited an American named Mark Tornillo in 2009. This guy rips! The band sounds re-invigorated, and has released three excellent albums that hold up well against the older material. In fact, one can argue that they sound better now than they ever have.

So yes, it's entirely possible for new artists to create amazing music, and for older ones to still deliver the goods without mailing it in.

i like how a thread about a Soundgarden album turned into a Metallica discussion.. it's cool- they're friends..

on the whole, Metallica peaked musically with Load/ReLoad. the stuff up to and including ...Justice was intelligent aggression that showed a progression from album to album.. the Black album was just epic heavy metal with a tinge of thrash on a couple of tracks, slickened up with production values that everyone wished they could afford.. Load/ReLoad threw some bluesy country stuff in... St Anger was good music made bad on purpose to prove that people will buy anything if you put a Metallica logo on the cover.. Death Magnetic is great in a "45 year olds that still remember what it was like to be 19" kind of way...

anyways..

i think i have the Soundgarden album in question.. on tape... somewhere... never was a huge fan, but i don't actively hate them or anything. they had a solid groove going on and Chris Cornell was just an awesome singer in the studio.

Badmotorfinger was a high water mark IMO, Down on the Up Side an impeccable swan song , and Superunknown a little weak and desperate. Years later, it Superunknown sounds much better. I love that band.

Metallica, is also, a great band. The Cliff years are pure, and have an equilateral kind of thing going- like Zeppelin did. They were OK for a HUGE band for a while -kicking the most genuine member out- ( check Voivod after Newsted joined), and generally being brats. Word has it the big three(not Truhillio), had their respective therapists on site for the last several studio albums. LAME, yet, I LOVE Death Magnetic. I believe this conversation has more to do with the fact that the internet finally burst the music industry's bubble than anything. I kind of believe it goes back to the beginning, when people started making money off of music, it started sucking. Anything else is just progression of the ugliness that is humanity.