Best home defense shotgun?

Chinese SKS' are worth around five bills now. Three bills for a MilSurp Mauser, and Mosin's are two at Cabelas.

Dr. Hess wrote: Chinese SKS' are worth around five bills now. Three bills for a MilSurp Mauser, and Mosin's are two at Cabelas.

I miss Swedish mausers for $150. I missed that boat.. UGH.

I once bought a Turk for like $65. Built a 30-06 High Power Prone match rifle from it. The Palma sights cost more than the rest of the rifle did, and that was considerably more than the $65 buy in. Cabelas had just one Mauser, a 24/47 for $280, marked down from $300. It did have the bayonet with it, though. If you guys want a Mosin, I suggest getting one now. They're not making them anymore, you know, and given that Russia is no longer our BFF, I doubt they will be importing any that the Russians have left over either. The $100 Mosin is gone, and the $200 Mosin will soon be the $300-400 Mosin. I don't think the Mosin makes a very good home defense shotgun, though. Certainly not for Canadians who's government has decided for them that pointy sticks, sharp metal things and other general tools are way too dangerous for them to safely manage or own.

yamaha wrote: In reply to alfadriver: The second part you're talking about, it sounded like the guy shot the woman through his front door(a big no no with no real defense) The first, IDK the statistic, but I would venture a guess of chances somewhere between 1 in 100 to 1 in 1000 and that can still happen even in your eutopic perfect community. I have already stopped one such attempt on my property.....damn druggies.

i don't live in a perfect communuty. there were ~750 burglaries in my home town last year.

I do just want to point out that having a gun, and using it, well, there are consequences. Some may be ok, others may not. Either way, you are choosing to take the life of another person. You choose if you want to do that.

Have fun, all.

In reply to alfadriver:

Its just one of those things that you have to educate yourself on what you can and cannot do and never forget them.

Fueled by Caffeine wrote:

Dr. Hess wrote: Chinese SKS' are worth around five bills now. Three bills for a MilSurp Mauser, and Mosin's are two at Cabelas.

I miss Swedish mausers for $150. I missed that boat.. UGH.

How much are ww2 era capture k98 mausers going for?

Mauser 98's were selling in the $3-400+ range at the last big gun show I went to. That was asking price, anyway.

Dr. Hess wrote: Mauser 98's were selling in the $3-400+ range at the last big gun show I went to. That was asking price, anyway.

Highly dependent on condition etc.. Shooter vs. museum piece you know.

I got some friends who do WW2 reenacting and they will pay big money for correct markings, non hacked guns.

That was the price on off the rack MilSurps, unmodded, not collector pieces. Just a Mauser 98. Might have even been a bit more than that. Mausers are kinda like cars: Lots of people want to mod them up and make what they want from them. Lots of people think they are some rare collector item that had to be kept in "as it left the factory" condition or you're destroying a piece of history. OK, so you're destroying a piece of history. There are only 14 million other ones to "save for future generations in mint condition."

The only issue with mine is the electropenciling on it...all the stamped numbers match(including the stock) and it still has visible eagles perched on the swasticas.

Dr. Hess wrote: I once bought a Turk for like $65. Built a 30-06 High Power Prone match rifle from it. The Palma sights cost more than the rest of the rifle did, and that was considerably more than the $65 buy in. Cabelas had just one Mauser, a 24/47 for $280, marked down from $300. It did have the bayonet with it, though. If you guys want a Mosin, I suggest getting one now. They're not making them anymore, you know, and given that Russia is no longer our BFF, I doubt they will be importing any that the Russians have left over either. The $100 Mosin is gone, and the $200 Mosin will soon be the $300-400 Mosin. I don't think the Mosin makes a very good home defense shotgun, though. Certainly not for Canadians who's government has decided for them that pointy sticks, sharp metal things and other general tools are way too dangerous for them to safely manage or own.

Not trying to fan the flames, but I am not sure that our government has done a worse job than yours on gun policy. Mostly my observations were personal, not political. if I was an American I would still prefer not to arm myself.

Your choice, Martin. If you were a citizen of this country, I would strongly support your right to do what you want and not be forced to own a firearm. In fact, I support anyone right to not own a firearm, and to not vote, not speak freely, house troops in their homes, and a bunch of other things, if they support my rights to do what I want as well. However, as you're not a citizen of this side of the parallel, what you want to do and my support of it is totally irrelevant. Just like if I wanted to tell Gameboy what to do on his island. It's not my country. It's yours. I do note that your fellow countrymen did manage to finally kill that liberal bastion of the national firearms database, only something like 400x over budget and totally ineffective and otherwise useless. Good work on that.

Acquired my Turk back in da cheap dayze too...

Dr. Hess wrote: Your choice, Martin. If you were a citizen of this country, I would strongly support your right to do what you want and not be forced to own a firearm. In fact, I support anyone right to not own a firearm, and to not vote, not speak freely, house troops in their homes, and a bunch of other things, if they support my rights to do what I want as well. However, as you're not a citizen of this side of the parallel, what you want to do and my support of it is totally irrelevant. Just like if I wanted to tell Gameboy what to do on his island. It's not my country. It's yours. I do note that your fellow countrymen did manage to finally kill that liberal bastion of the national firearms database, only something like 400x over budget and totally ineffective and otherwise useless. Good work on that.

All things being equal, would you not rather live in an area where you did not have to think about arming yourself against intruders? I think we have it pretty good over here. I don't feel threatened or oppressed, and I think I can speak freely on any subject without the fear of repercussions by men in black. I don't consider that poor government has brought that situation about.

The national gun registry was a farce. Not many people would disagree with you there. One of the conservative ad campaigns featured a couple of robbers who broke off a robbery attempt when they realized their weapons were not registered. But just to be clear, Canadians can and do own guns. They just tend to be a bit more circumspect about it.

bearmtnmartin wrote:

Dr. Hess wrote: Your choice, Martin. If you were a citizen of this country, I would strongly support your right to do what you want and not be forced to own a firearm. In fact, I support anyone right to not own a firearm, and to not vote, not speak freely, house troops in their homes, and a bunch of other things, if they support my rights to do what I want as well. However, as you're not a citizen of this side of the parallel, what you want to do and my support of it is totally irrelevant. Just like if I wanted to tell Gameboy what to do on his island. It's not my country. It's yours. I do note that your fellow countrymen did manage to finally kill that liberal bastion of the national firearms database, only something like 400x over budget and totally ineffective and otherwise useless. Good work on that.

All things being equal, would you not rather live in an area where you did not have to think about arming yourself against intruders?

A few days ago in London, there was a woman who never had to think about her head being cut off. Sadly, she was wrong.

Awful, inexplicable things happen every day for no good reason. If you think something bad won't happen to you on any given day, you're probably right. But if you think something bad can't happen, you're wrong.

1988RedT2 wrote: Dunno if it's been mentioned as yet, but I'm pretty sure you NEED a Saiga 12. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saiga-12

Too bad the price on these has gone through the roof because of Obama's ban on RUskie imports.

In reply to bentwrench:

You're a page or two late with that one......just an odd note, in my state we would not be allowed to own that siaga12 pictured, thanks to the gangster era short barreled shotguns are illegal here, even going through NFA channels.

Wher I live the majority of my "home defense" is from skunks, possums and coyotes. BUT..... When police response is a minimum of 15-20 minutes whatever is going to happen will be done long before they can get there.

Now, here in the states we have this organization that many boys get involved in called the Boy Scouts. There motto is Always Prepared. I prefer to live by that motto because it just flat makes sense. If your closed mind can't comprehend that then I don't know what to tell you. You do t want to be prepared? Go for it don't look down your upturned nose at those of us that do.

As for te OP I prefer my 500. Was a 28" full choke barrel that was cut down to 19.5". Still shoots clays VERY well and. #7 bird shot at 15 yards is a pattern about the size of your outstretched hand.

Bobzilla wrote: Now, here in the states we have this organization that many boys get involved in called the Boy Scouts. There motto is its not weird to kiss the scoutmaster. I prefer to live by that motto because it just flat makes sense.

J/K I was a boy scout too.

You also know that boy scouts are in 200+ countries.. so stating "Now, here in the states" is really not needed. They have scouts in Canada and the UK and France and Indonesia and Russia and....

In reply to Fueled by Caffeine:

I know.

"Leader in a para-military organization... Eagle Scout."

Dr. Hess wrote: "Leader in a para-military organization... Eagle Scout."

I had no desire to become an eagle scout. I just wanted to go camping. My father hates camping and all things outside, save gardening. The local scoutmaster was not happy with me when I told him I had not aspirations of advancing above 1st class and sat there for years. I stopped collecting merit badges and was just there to get outside on a regular basis. I was politely asked to move up or out when i told him I had no religion and didn't believe in god. "Buuuuuttttt, that's a big part of scouting" He stammered and then ran off to have a talk with my parents...

That organization can do so much good, sad. Then I started civil war reenacting and found camping with guns was more fun.

Now back to shotguns.

Fueled by Caffeine wrote:

Dr. Hess wrote: Chinese SKS' are worth around five bills now. Three bills for a MilSurp Mauser, and Mosin's are two at Cabelas.

I miss Swedish mausers for $150. I missed that boat.. UGH.

Same here.

Yeah, well, that's what I'm telling you. The next boat is the Mosin-Nagant. It's sailing now. I suggest cruising the pawn shops and out of the way places that might not have marked them up to two bills yet. Cabelas isn't exactly the low price leader in a lot of things.

In reply to Dr. Hess:

I've already got more Nagants than I need. Wish I'd bought a few dozen of those broken-stock Turkish Mausers for $25 per rifle, though... As well as a few cases of Norinco 1911's, etc...

This reminds me, I was cleaning and found my M91/30 receipt, it cost me just shy of $85 OTD during a Christmas sale in late 2011.

IDK if I could bring myself to pay more than $150 for a run of the mill WW2 production 91/30 with a good crown, bore, and headspace(like mine).

I'd still like a carbine, but everybody wants $200+ for beat to E36 M3 ones now.