Speaking of things I was offered a 1982 Browning hi power that is made and assembled in Belgium yesterday with 5 mags for a very reasonable price. Now I already have an FN Hi Power that is a Belgium made and assembled but two is better than one yes? Dual wielding hi powers anyone?
I've never had a pistol with a light. Since this XD has a rail I came across an Amazon Black Friday deal in a chinesium tlr-1 for a decent price. 1200 lumen. Seems to work pretty well. Have a holster coming for it with the light.
I have always been on the fence about a light attached to my firearm. The issue is that if you are searching in the dark and pointing the light (and the pistol) at someone, in my state, that is a felony (assault with a deadly weapon). As such, I usually carry a separate light. I also have a personal rule that I don't unholster a firearm just to look for someone or something.
I am not saying lights are bad at all it is just that where I live they can get you in a lot of trouble.
I have shot several of my friend's pistols with lights and they do help with muzzle flip.
EDIT: I guess what I am saying is to know your local laws
A weapon light is never a replacement for a flashlight, but having one is far better than trying to manipulate a gun and a light at the same time, especially with long guns. State laws vary, but inside your home or on your own property, you are probably justified in pointing a gun at an intruder, though maybe not to pull the trigger absent other factors. Check your local laws. Here in AZ, the threat of deadly force (ie, pointing a gun at someone) is completely legal to stop/prevent a criminal trespass. The use of deadly force requires additional justification.
My nightstand pistol has a weapon light attached, but there's also a flashlight sitting right next to it. And it's the only pistol I own that has a light attached full time, though several others can be quickly equipped. My defensive long guns all have lights mounted.
In reply to Rodan :
In MA pointing a gun at someone is considered assault with a deadly weapon. There is almost no wiggle room or justification because of circumstance. It's a MA thing. It makes it all that more important to know your state laws and keep up with them. You can accidentally make yourself a criminal, especially in the states with tight gun control laws.
In reply to Rodan :
Indiana does not have any stupid ass laws like those, thankfully. We are also a castle doctrine state with no requirement to retreat. There's also no IC for pointing a weapon. I need to check FL, but I believe they are similar.
In reply to dean1484 :
I can't even carry in MA so it really doesn't matter.
bobzilla said:In reply to dean1484 :
I can't even carry in MA so it really doesn't matter.
Just using my state as an example. I would not want you to accidentally get in trouble.
More of a PSA to anyone thinking of adding a light (or anything else for that matter) to their stuff to know their state laws and the ramifications of what may seem like something that should not matter.
In reply to dean1484 :
when traveling I make sure I know what the laws are for me. #1 for me regardless of location is the firearm is only coming out as its being used. It's not an intimidation piece, it's not a talisman to wave around. It's a tool that has a specific, serious use that can have life changing consequences. If it has to come out, I have exhausted all other means I have at my disposal to disengage/avoid the conflict and that conflict is a life or death situation.
I had an interesting time at the range yesterday comparing Beretta 92's
I have a 92 M9A4 in that weird FDE color beretta has.
My son has a plain 92FS
A friend brought an all-metal 92x performance defensive that is kind of a rose silver.
I shot all three side by side and I was very surprised at the complete lack of difference between the three pistols in terms of accuracy but there was a very big difference in the ease and comfort of shooting.
The 92 FS and the M9 shot very similar. The grips on the M9 dig into your hands more/better like it is made for gloves. It is also a relatively new pistol. I have only had it out to the range one other time so the grips are brand new. The triggers were also very similar. the 92FS was maybe a little lighter and the M9 may be a tad crisper but this is probably more because the FS is made in Italy and the M9 I think is made in the USA. The cost difference between the two is about $100. I can see that as the M9 came with an additional mag and some other cleaning stuff and tools whereas the FS was just the pistol and 2 mags. I forgot the M9 has a threaded barrel where as the FS does not.
The surprise was the 92x performance defensive. It is almost $800 more than the FS. It was heavy, and slow, and the metal grips were slippery with a soggy spongy heavy trigger. Maybe my friend just got a bad one but I was looking forward to shooting it and was very disappointed as was he.
No real purpose to this post other than "top shelf" stuff from manufacturers is not always better.
I had a similar experience with my 226 Legion SAO and my Son's plain Jain bottom-of-the-barrel 226 SA/DA MK 25. Both are excellent but the Legion is not worth the extra $$$. Blindfolded I could tell the difference only because of the grips. The triggers and accuracy and everything else is exactly the same.
Has anyone else had this experience? Shooting the top dog of a pistol only to find that the regular everyday version is the same.
It would be interesting to hear about 1911's (I am sure Rodan has something to say about this)
bobzilla said:In reply to dean1484 :
when traveling I make sure I know what the laws are for me. #1 for me regardless of location is the firearm is only coming out as its being used. It's not an intimidation piece, it's not a talisman to wave around. It's a tool that has a specific, serious use that can have life changing consequences. If it has to come out, I have exhausted all other means I have at my disposal to disengage/avoid the conflict and that conflict is a life or death situation.
I am right there with you!!
The problem is I see guys at the action range being "tactical" with their pistols training with lights and using them to sweep an area. My concern is when they get home and hear a bump in the night they will most likely fall back on their training and use their pistol-mounted light to clear their house or even the yard. They will have a much higher chance of running into a kid coming home or a neighbor asking for help. These guys are jumping from zero to Defcon 5 because this is how they are training. Even if they don't shoot anyone they have just made themselves a fellen in the eye of the law in my state. This is what I was getting at. So many of my friends that I have pointed this out to were very surprised at this. I don't know how other states look at it. I am sure where I live is probably the worst.
In reply to dean1484 :
well, if someone is in my house at 0=dark thirty there's a good chance they aren't walking out. With two 70lb GSD barking sounding like all hell breaking loose, being secluded, and never unlocked, someone in my house isn't there to play patty cakes. To continue into a house with that kinda racket you're either higher than a kite with nothing good on your mind or you're determined to do something else that's likely not in my or my wife's best interest.
Luckily, most of the country isn't nearly as communistic in their approach to self defense as much of the east coast is.
In reply to dean1484 :
1911 triggers are pretty similar until you start talking about custom jobs. The thing with 1911's is they aren't legos like most other firearms. Everything must be custom fitted, so no two will ever be the same. The triggers are both of mine are stock MIM parts and are a fairly consistent 5-6lbs with a light take up and crisp break. I've shot a few with custom trigger jobs that break around the 3-4lb range and the break is super clean. I just don't like a trigger lighter than my stock ones. Too easy to light off an extra round.
On lights... As I noted before, a firearm with a weapon light is not just a flashlight, and should never be treated as one. That said, if you're legally justified in having the gun out, the light mounted to it doesn't make any difference. For most people, the 98th percentile of weapon light use is going to be clearing their own house/property. Under those circumstances, if you end up pointing it at someone who's not supposed to be there, and you don't live in MA, CA or NY, you're probably good to go. If you live in a jurisdiction where persecuting the citizen is more important than prosecuting the criminal... good luck.
BTW, you can illuminate things pretty well with a weapon light with the gun at a low ready. Most lights have enough spill to illuminate a standing person this way if you're more than a few feet away. No need to point it directly until you are presented with a threat.
On low end vs. high end and triggers... Unless a manufacturer takes the extra time and $$ to address the things that affect accuracy, the average shooter will not see a lot of difference, especially when shooting off hand (unsupported). The Beretta 92 was designed for reliability, not accuracy... I've never seen one that I would deem to be 'very' accurate.
CNC has completely changed the 1911 world. A level of accuracy/reliability that used to require the attention of a skilled gunsmith can now be had out of the box for incredible prices. My $299 bare bones Tisas 1911A1 has an incredibly good slide/frame fit and barrel lockup. That would have been impossible 30 years ago, and I've never seen it from a catalog Colt (Gold Cup NM are close). I have a Tisas Match 1911 that cost double what my 1911A1 cost, and it doesn't have better fitting... what it does have is features that make it better, dynamically, to shoot more accurately, more quickly. 1911 triggers are very different from most striker guns, and when right, are a beautiful thing.
If you want to separate the wheat from the chaff with handguns, put them in a mechanical rest or shoot off bags at 25 yards. That's where you'll really see a difference.
I need to handle a Tisas 1911.......
Antihero said:I need to handle a Tisas 1911.......
Me too. I saw an email deal of a stainless model on sale for like 400. Might be the play. When I get a 1911 I want one that looks good. 🤣
Anyone looking forward to any black Friday deals related to this thread?
In reply to AWSX1686 (Forum Supporter) :
I picked up an ambi CH for my 308. Gonna be the third shade of FDE. Hoping someday to gat a railed front guard for a fourth. Maybe when I upgrade the glass I'll do similarly.
Doing some load testing yesterday with H4350 in my 6.5CM Bergara. Hornady ELD 140g bullet. Pretty happy with the results. Average MV 2780, SD of 7 and ES of 25. I stopped this group at 3 shots... but wouldn't you? 
5 shot group
AWSX1686 said: Anyone looking forward to any black Friday deals related to this thread?
PSA has some great deals going on Tisas 1911s in various calibers and configurations, starting at $299: PSA Black Friday 1911s...
barefootcyborg5000 said:In reply to AWSX1686 (Forum Supporter) :
I picked up an ambi CH for my 308. Gonna be the third shade of FDE. Hoping someday to gat a railed front guard for a fourth. Maybe when I upgrade the glass I'll do similarly.
Early delivery. CH is an aero breach.
I also cleaned the thing for the first time in about 500 rounds. Reminds me that I need a proper chamber brush.
I need to clean some of my stuff. Maybe a pre Thanksgiving cleaning party? 😁
I think there is a thanksgiving shotgun shoot at my club tomorow. I have never been. If time allows I may stop buy to see what it is about. Since my daughter is hosting festivity's this year and it is going to be more of a lunch I will have the afternoon free.
In reply to Rodan :
I have been looking at Tika/Saco and Bagarra for a bolt action. I really like the CTR but then I see groups like that from Bagarra's and I am back to not knowing what to get.
I do know I prefer a all wood stock. I know the new composites are lighter and are stable compared to wood but there is just something about wood.
In reply to dean1484 :
It's hard to go wrong with a Tikka... the T3X is a fantastic rifle, and I think you can still get them with wood.
Bergara has had some mixed reviews over the last couple of years, but mine has been excellent. I spent a little extra on the 'Premier' barreled action and IMHO it was worth it. Also, being able to buy a barreled action (at a reasonable price) was a factor for me, knowing I didn't want the factory stock.
The biggest problem I have with wood stocks is getting them to fit me properly for shooting. By the time you add all the adjustable stuff, they're not pretty anymore. Once you've shot a stock that's properly set up for you, you'll have a hard time going back. And it makes a real difference in consistency. Nice wood is sure pretty, though... no argument with that!
So....is there any cool Black Friday deals out there? I haven't seen much yet
Rodan said:Nice wood is sure pretty, though... no argument with that!
Speaking of, anybody here have a decent wood stock for a Ruger Mini 14?
I know, I know. I might as well ask if anyone has any speed parts for an FSO Polonez...
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