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SVreX
SVreX MegaDork
12/1/14 12:26 p.m.
Lesley wrote: Having spent most of the year at the only factory job I could get here, at $2.90... I opted for the bar job. It helped me save money for college. If there was another option, believe me, I'd have taken it.

Umm... Late 70's I was making $2.50 per hour. I felt pretty good about that- minimum wage was $2.30. Unfortunately, I couldn't get a bar job.

My wife worked retail part time. Paid her own way through college, and bought a new car in her Freshman year for cash.

I've never had a new car.

turboswede
turboswede UltimaDork
12/1/14 12:41 p.m.

Proof that sex doesn't always sell:

http://www.cracked.com/photoplasty_1198_27-sexy-ad-campaigns-well-probably-see-next/

Lesley
Lesley PowerDork
12/1/14 12:53 p.m.
tuna55 wrote:
Lesley wrote: On the other hand, seeing someone in their element, doing something incredibly well and enjoying it... is smoking hot to me.
I was just going to read now and again, but now I have to comment. You're wrong. If I sent you a picture of me in my cube working on the latest project to save $XX million dollars on our contracts each year, you would not be the least bit interested. Forget for a moment that I'm a mostly bald skinny nerd. If a picture can be attractive to you without knowing the person, then you're guilty of the same thing you're accusing these folks whom hire booth babes (or go to booths because of the babes) of. I love the female form, but to be brutally honest, I'm personally not a fan of the booth babe.

Fair enough. Just trying to make the point that there are countless types of attractive - and the shallow brand of perfection portrayed in the media and the catwalk is a dangerous ideal. Some of the guys I have dated in no way fit that mould - and I found them fascinating, interesting... and hot.

tuna55
tuna55 UltimaDork
12/1/14 12:56 p.m.

In reply to Lesley:

I'll agree that the hypersexualization of modern society is a problem. It makes parenting really hard. When I was 14 I loved it with every thought.

However, when I look at a picture of some cute girl, I know it's basically the same motivation.

Joe Gearin
Joe Gearin Associate Publisher
12/1/14 1:46 p.m.

Honestly I could do without the booth babes at SEMA. They are a distraction, and the hordes of men lining up to have the babe sign a poster clutters the isles and makes it harder for those who are .....you know....working. (Right buddy...you'll say something clever and she'll go home with you)

I also think it devalues a company to have bimbos wearing next to nothing in their booths. It's almost like they are saying...."our products don't have enough merit to gather your attention...so look.....BOOBS!"

One exception is the Pirelli booth. Sure they have attractive women (actually EXTREMELY attractive) working their booths, but they train them. Those girls know the product, and which executives are at the show. They are always helpful, friendly, and intelligent. They really set the bar for how booth girls should be presented. They are professionals, not just a set of empty eyes with no useful information.

freestyle
freestyle Reader
12/1/14 1:56 p.m.
DrBoost wrote: Sorry, didn't make it out of the first paragraph. I don't like the 'I'm smart. Just read my big words' writing style that seems to end up in blogs. I don't care about booth babes. I like to look, I'd be lying if I said a pretty woman isn't nice to look at. It turns your head....in the direction of the products they are selling. That's what they are trying to do. I just hope they keep it tame enough that I don't have to cover my kids eyes.

In my ham fisted way, just trying to explain why I can sometimes justify having an attractive gal in the booth. Sorry DrBoost if it was difficult for you to understand.

SVreX
SVreX MegaDork
12/1/14 2:33 p.m.

In reply to freestyle:

Wait... Did you write the article linked in the original post? I'm confused.

I think Dr Boost was referring to the article, not your post.

Sky_Render
Sky_Render Dork
12/1/14 3:07 p.m.

This joke is all I have to contribute to this discussion:

bravenrace
bravenrace MegaDork
12/1/14 3:34 p.m.

jsquared
jsquared Reader
12/1/14 3:59 p.m.

I am one of those who thinks that crying foul over the objectified women thing is a bit of a stretch. Women look at barely-clothed men in their women's magazines and get all hot & bothered over Gerard Butler or Liam Hemsworth shirtless at the movies. The women at the booths are there because they chose to, and they usually choose to because the paycheck is good (enough), and they are able to get those jobs because they put in the work to be in that kind of shape (and yes, I know some of it is genetics, but for the most part you can't maintain a physique without a good bit of effort). For the most part, I roll my eyes at the "unrealistic" crap. It's not unrealistic if you exercise and have control over what you eat. Yes, I think it's unrealistic for women to expect me to look like Liam Hemsworth as Thor, but the "unrealistic" part is me eating almost nothing but boiled chicken breast and vegetables for 3 months straight Maybe if they paid me a million bucks to act in a movie I could do it...

Joe Gearin wrote: I also think it devalues a company to have bimbos wearing next to nothing in their booths. It's almost like they are saying...."our products don't have enough merit to gather your attention...so look.....BOOBS!"

That's basically my mental approach to car magazines The old Sport Compact Car and GRM are my favorites because of the tech nerd content. Magazines that throw women next to or in front of the car, well that's basically a give-away that the articles are just narrated parts lists.

KyAllroad wrote: And remember. Most of the pills your doctor pushes are sold by "pharmaceutical reps". Those are some BABES! Errrr, I mean well trained professional young ladies who in no way trade on their prodigious.....assets.

Scrubs pointed this out on numerous occasions

Lesley wrote: Fair enough. Just trying to make the point that there are countless types of attractive - and the shallow brand of perfection portrayed in the media and the catwalk is a dangerous ideal. Some of the guys I have dated in no way fit that mould - and I found them fascinating, interesting... and hot.

"Shallow brand of perfection" in the media? No E36 M3! It's a freaking still picture, or choreographed moving picture. I've never seen an underwear ad, male or female, with the model holding a copy of their SAT scores. They are portraying physical appearance, and that is all. There is nothing wrong with holding up someone as an example if they work their ass off in the gym and have the discipline to eat a healthy diet. It's not unrealistic, it's just difficult. As long as you realize that it is only representing the physical then there is nothing wrong with that. The problem is making assumptions that said attractive person is smarter/better/whatever because of their looks. But to get upset because (you think that someone else thinks that) someone looks better than you is ridiculous. I don't get mad because Liam Hemsworth or Hugh Jackman (Wolverine) is better looking than me. I know that my physique is dependent on my own choices. I'm plenty strong, but I don't care that I can't see my abs, because I like European chocolates and pizza and pasta and Five Guys burgers and Chick-Fil-A more than I like the concept of having a washboard stomach. I don't care that my face won't look as good as theirs due to my nose shape or bone structure or inability to tan or whatever, but I don't get upset at the "objectification" of people with nice faces. I'd rather see George Clooney's face than my own face, too!

TLDR: The media portrays attractive people when they want to provide a nice visual, because its a nice visual, and that is what media is for. For content and depth, you want something else. If they dressed me up in a Thor suit and gave me a hammer, that movie would not sell many tickets. If they paid me the kind of money they pay actors, I'd be able take the few months to get in that kind of shape, then wear the Thor suit, and they'd sell a lot more tickets (though not as many as the real Thor movie, because let's face it, there isn't a "face press" station at the gym ). Booth babes are there because it draws attention. I don't care for them, because I care about the cars and want tech info. But as long as they are professional and publicly presentable, there is nothing wrong with them just like there is nothing wrong with putting hunky guys on TV shows aimed at women.

bentwrench
bentwrench HalfDork
12/1/14 4:10 p.m.

freestyle
freestyle Reader
12/1/14 4:24 p.m.
SVreX wrote: In reply to freestyle: Wait... Did you write the article linked in the original post? I'm confused. I think Dr Boost was referring to the article, not your post.

Oh my...now I'm embarrassed.

Flight Service
Flight Service MegaDork
12/1/14 4:49 p.m.
turboswede wrote: I'll just leave this here: http://uproxx.com/webculture/2014/12/coca-cola-naked-milk-ads/ (NSFW pictures, you've been warned).

Ok, those are some really cool shots. Kudos to the team that executed that.

Toyman01
Toyman01 UltimaDork
12/1/14 4:54 p.m.
Flight Service wrote:
turboswede wrote: I'll just leave this here: http://uproxx.com/webculture/2014/12/coca-cola-naked-milk-ads/ (NSFW pictures, you've been warned).
Ok, those are some really cool shots. Kudos to the team that executed that.

Agreed, awesome shots. I still probably won't drink their milk. I'd rather have it straight from the cow.

racerdave600
racerdave600 SuperDork
12/1/14 5:50 p.m.

The truth is, human nature is human nature. There are some that simply like looking at hot girls or guys. You are never going to change that, it is simply the way we are programed.

Now personally, I do not care to have them at shows such as SEMA, as I find them to be more of a distraction and create traffic jams as Joe described. There's nothing more frustrating than really wanting info on a product, only to have the booth packed with guys just wanting to talk to the models. Unless they add value with knowledge too, I would rather they not be there.

As for the unrealistic expectations, I've never been a girl, but I would think there is more to the story than that. Guys have the same sort of issues, but we don't define ourselves that way. Maybe that's what Lesley is going for here, the way girls are defined, but that's a bit of a different question with another huge set of problems that go along with it. But again, you've got that human nature bit flowing through that as well.

If it didn't work to some degree, I doubt you would see it. As an example, years ago, I worked in the swimming pool construction business. Anyway, one of the primary industry magazines decided not to run ads with bikini clad women. Sales of their customers and their ad revenue dropped significantly, so that after a year, they were back.

As long as there are men and women, this is a question that will never be fully answered to any satisfaction.

DrBoost
DrBoost UltimaDork
12/1/14 6:27 p.m.
freestyle wrote:
SVreX wrote: In reply to freestyle: Wait... Did you write the article linked in the original post? I'm confused. I think Dr Boost was referring to the article, not your post.
Oh my...now I'm embarrassed.

Ahh, dont be. It's easy to not quite get what is being said in a forum

freestyle
freestyle Reader
12/1/14 7:39 p.m.
DrBoost wrote:
freestyle wrote:
SVreX wrote: In reply to freestyle: Wait... Did you write the article linked in the original post? I'm confused. I think Dr Boost was referring to the article, not your post.
Oh my...now I'm embarrassed.
Ahh, dont be. It's easy to not quite get what is being said in a forum

So true when you just can't make it through the first paragraph of a one page article. Glad you can relate. You're sweet. Thanks.

Wally
Wally MegaDork
12/1/14 8:17 p.m.

The article was written in the style of a guy trying to see a feminist nekkid. I've seen it a few times with friends and it never ends well.

pushrod36
pushrod36 Reader
12/1/14 8:45 p.m.

I'm neither for nor against booth babes. That said, when working at a trade show for a week (thinking of con-expo back in March) it is very refreshing to speak with a woman with a pretty smile instead of another over-the-hill fat balding old sales guy who can't dress himself.

However, for me this goes beyond trade shows. I think everything is a bit more fun when there is a pretty lady along.

Appleseed
Appleseed MegaDork
12/1/14 9:52 p.m.

This thread has gotten serious. Everything is in bold.

DrBoost
DrBoost UltimaDork
12/1/14 9:55 p.m.
freestyle wrote:
DrBoost wrote:
freestyle wrote:
SVreX wrote: In reply to freestyle: Wait... Did you write the article linked in the original post? I'm confused. I think Dr Boost was referring to the article, not your post.
Oh my...now I'm embarrassed.
Ahh, dont be. It's easy to not quite get what is being said in a forum
So true when you just can't make it through the first paragraph of a one page article. Glad you can relate. You're sweet. Thanks.

Not sure if you're being condescending or not (online I tend to give folks the benefit of the doubt) so I'll say this. I have the ability to read the article. I'm an author by profession, technical in nature, so there arent a lot of words that trip me up. What does trip me up is a trite, contrived writing style. That's why I like GRM (the mag) as much as I do. They write in a very natural way.

ronholm
ronholm HalfDork
12/1/14 9:58 p.m.
Wally wrote: The article was written in the style of a guy trying to see a feminist nekkid. I've seen it a few times with friends and it never ends well.

Truth!

freestyle
freestyle Reader
12/1/14 10:11 p.m.

In reply to DrBoost: I agree with you about the writing style. When the words are distracting from the message you're trying to make. you're doing it wrong.

DrBoost
DrBoost UltimaDork
12/1/14 10:24 p.m.
freestyle wrote: In reply to DrBoost: I agree with you about the writing style. When the words are distracting from the message you're trying to make. you're doing it wrong.

Exactly! I subscribe to Hemmings Exotic & Sports Cars. I really like the cars they cover. They had a staff of writers that seemed to pride themselves on using the largest quantity of the most bizarre words. I was going to let my sub run out, but they got new writers.

novaderrik
novaderrik PowerDork
12/2/14 2:25 a.m.
Appleseed wrote: This thread has gotten serious. Everything is in bold.

whew.. i thought i was the only one to notice that... at least it's NOT ALL IN CAPS..

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