Calling all nerds. Computer stuff.

Wife needs a new computer. Her old pc is starting to act up, and aside from just being old, it's not really up to snuff for what she does. So she bought a big Macintosh machine and it has died twice now. Now she is looking at building and I know some of you folks are way into this stuff and can help me help her. 
 

What she does is video editing. And a little gaming, and a lot of digital art via her cintiq pad. The software she uses for video is Premier Pro, and she wants to be able to use it to do 4K video. And adobe stuff in general for the rest. 
Adobe says she needs a minimum processing speed of 3.2gHz or whatever. She also needs much heap big hard drive. And probably 16g or more ram. Almost guaranteed to be running Win 10.
 

I am not a computer person, though I do know some basic stuff. Heat kills electronics. Hard drives are noisy. Pressing buttons harder doesn't help. 
 

she is looking at several reviews and how-to guides. I'm thinking a big drive is not rocket surgery and overkill is better than overclocking. To that end we've been looking at the Ryzen 5 3600 6-core(?) with a normal processing speed of 3.4ghzlmnop and the ability to press the turbo button for 4.2ghzlgbt. 
Her current HP machine is over ten years old, but in the last two years we have replaced the power source (old one simply died) and the graphics card (so she could use the fancy cintiq thing). I do not know what the replacement units were and I do not remember specs. Not sure if she'll be able to use the same tower/case. 
 

Anyway, she's thinking somewhere in the $7-800 range. We may be way off. 
 

TIA!

700-800 might be a bit light for that type of use but it probably can be done.  Unfortunately video editing pretty much needs good everything.  Obviously, she might be OK with a bit slower than optimum, but that may bite you in the future.

I always like to check Toms Hardware.  It looks like they just updated their best builds, and they have an $800 one that might be just what you want:

https://www.tomshardware.com/best-picks/best-pc-builds-gaming

You will obviously need a 4K monitor also, so that will likely be a few hundred more.  Toms has reviews on those also.

For storage grab an internal old school HD, but the things running the OS, video software, and vidya games should be solid state.

Beyond that, I dont have much of value to add.

I should clarify. Light gaming. Mostly Minecraft. Occasionally Starcraft.  On a rare occasion, Left for dead or Unreal tournament. Nothing crazy I think. And none often. 

Adobe Premiere Pro (not Elements) is GPU accelerated and multi threaded.  However you start getting diminishing returns in performance/dollar as the thread count goes up, so I'd be shopping the AMD Ryzen 5 or 7 options, like you already are, I probably wouldn't be shopping more than 8 cores, unless you come across a deal.

Right now I'd be shopping Nvidia GPUs, for their NVENC encoder, this will likely be your single most expensive component.  Nvidia just released their 3000 series GPUs a couple weeks ago, they're amazing, comparatively a couple maybe even three generations greater leap in performance than previous new cards.  Right now, that doesn't matter, because you probably can't buy one.  If you think getting ammo is tough right now, go shop for a Nvidia 3080.

So, for right now, modern 4K stuff, I'd be shopping something like a Nvidia 2070, prices should be coming down as the 3000 series become more available.

All of that may be moot by November though, as AMD's new Big Navi GPUs are supposed to be released on Oct 28th. 

You're going to want a decent monitor too, something with as true of color reproduction as you can, and for 4K, depending on how big you need, you may be spending more on the LCD than the GPU.

To stay in the <$800 budget, you probably need to be shopping the second hand market, look for a 2nd gen Ryzen and maybe a 1660 Super GPU, upgrade to a Nvidia 3000 or AMD Big Navi in a year or two.

I'm editing 4k with an 8th gen Core i7 in my laptop.  It can overclock to 4.2, but I haven't ever done it.

graphics card is a Nvidia GTX 1060 I think.  6gb of its own memory.  Board memory is currently at 16gb and could go to 32gb, but I haven't needed it yet.

I can load up 3-4 hours of 4k footage to edit into a 20-minute short and I never get any artifacts, glitches, or reduction in quality.  I can also simultaneously record, edit, and master 16 tracks of audio for the soundtrack, although I rarely do live music for the video.  Usually pre-record and add later.

A laptop like that could be had for $1000 these days.  Desktop even cheaper.

What you want is a 3070 or more and a 3600 or more.  You can do a decent build for $1300 ish, once the 3070 becomes available.

Premier is pretty good at using your cores in preview, in batch processing, the efficiency still falls off quick after 5 cores.  I'm not sure I would pay extra to go beyond a 3600, esp. given the increase in TDP, power supply requirement, heat generation, etc.  https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Adobe-Premiere-Pro-CC-Multi-Core-Performance-698/  <-that article is older, I'm wondering if they made improvements since then.  4K H.264 is still the same codec though so I doubt its anything crazy.

Some current hardware recommendations:  https://www.pugetsystems.com/recommended/Recommended-Systems-for-Adobe-Premiere-Pro-143/Hardware-Recommendations

That said, the great part about the high demand of video editing is that the effect of the above on your ability to edit is extremely low, mostly it impacts the render time.  So you can certainly make do with less (make sure you batch-process your stuff overnight).  If you can wait 3 hours for a video to process instead of 2 hours, you can save a ton of money.  If its a casual thing, this is fine for most people.  If you are doing this all day every day, the high horsepower CPU and GPU will most certainly pay off.

If your baseline is a ten-year-old machine, anything current is going to seem like an absolute beast.

I think you're on the right track with Ryzen 5 or 7.  Consider a solid-state drive in addition to a big hard disk.  Spend way more on the video card than you think you need to. 

Your budget might be a tad low, but not too much.  Plus a monitor.

https://pcpartpicker.com/guide/Dgj48d/enthusiast-amd-gamingstreaming-build

Y'all are awesome, even if half of what I just read was Latin. I'll have to check and see What graphics card she has. I seem to remember it being a bit of overkill but that was a couple years ago. Hopefully that, the power supply, and the case can be reused. If not, oh well. I'll have her read through this and do some more homework. 

For doing video you need multiple hard drives.

You need one normal drive to run the computer, then a couple of external or secondary drives to store the video.

Best to have the drives on their own controller for better through-put.

I sent that Tom's link to my boys, one built his first computer when he was 12, the other is in the planning and saving stage right now.

Follow up time. 
 
She went with a well reviewed "$800" gaming pc build. Not sure exactly which. New case and everything.

I don't know what it all is even if I was the guy putting it all together. 32g ram, 3 case fans and another on the way, overkill power supply, Ryzen 5 cpu, 2tb hard drive, idk what all. And her most recent gig paid for a 28" Samsung monitor. She hasn't fired it up yet, and I don't know the process for installing an OS on new hardware but I'm sure she knows what she's about. 

Most of it has been here for a month, but the video card took a while and cost more than planned. I'm not sure what it is other than big.  So we put it all together Saturday night. Should be a big step up from her current machine. 

Halp!

We've double and triple checked everything, read the manuals and checked the instruction videos. Checked the manufacturers for component compatibility. Something isn't working. The machine powers up, lights come on, fans all spin, but no output to the screen. 
 

MSI B450 Gaming plus max mb

Amd 5 ryzen 3600x super cpu

(2) ddr4 16gb ram

msi GeForce gtx 6gb gpu 

some fans

2tb hard drive

I assembled everything in the kitchen table away from any sources of static or dust (as much as I can manage) and I've triple checked the manuals and instructions. Cpu is oriented correctly (double checked, I don't like that thermal paste (it gets everywhere))

She just bought a windows 10 license and said we need to do something with the bios before installing the os. Seems odd to me but she usually knows what she's about  

Flipped the switch and powered on the machine and everything lights up and the fans all start spinning, but nothing happens on screen. The monitor is a brand new Samsung. Hdmi. The mb spec sheet said HDMI 1.4, so I made sure that's what the monitor was set to. no dice. 
 

I'm not a computer guy, but I know a little and can follow instructions wel enough that I felt confident putting this together, but maybe I messed something up. 

Does the motherboard have any onboard video (is there an HDMI port not on the video card)?  You can try that.  Many don't though.

Have you plugged the monitor into another computer?  You can plug it into you cable box also.  You want to make sure the monitor / hdmi works.  Have you tried another monitor?

Generally, as I am sure you expected, it just works, but you need to confirm what works and what doesn't. 
You might try installing the video card from the old computer.

Check the motherboards manual.  They will many times have some sort of basic error diagnostic (e.g. certain lights or beeps of something is not right).

Does the video card require a connection to the power supply?  I think most all do. Make sure that is correct.

On the "I hope it's not the issue" front.  Did you wear a grounding strap while assembling it? Has there been a lot of static lately?  You should at LEAST make sure to tap bare metal on the power supply case or computer case before touching anything in the computer.

That motherboard has onboard HDMI and DVI. Check that. You may have signal going to the onboard instead of the expansion slot.

Or you may have done the classic silly and plugged in everything to the onboard graphics card and the signal is going to the expansion slot.

Also, if it has a little motherboard speaker, or you plugged in one, you will normally get a BIOS beep code.

That Ryzen CPU doesn't have onboard graphics. If your monitor is plugged into the motherboard, you need to plug it into the back of the graphics card.  If you can find one, also maybe borrow a known good graphics card (doesn't need to be powerful, all you need to do is confirm that it will turn on). If everything works with a known good graphics card, your graphics card needs to be warrantied.

I was sure I could add something useful here, but I think the previous three posts have covered everything pretty thoroughly.

I hope it's something silly and easy to fix!

One other thought, although it shouldn't be set that way out the box, I've gotten a motherboard before that had the "reset" jumper set on.   Normally there's a 3 pin connector on the board with a little jumper between two pins.  Moving the jumper from pins 1&2 to 2&3 resets the bios in case you screwed up a setting and it won't boot.   But it will often act exactly like yours in that state, where it will "spin up," but never go anywhere.

Edit:

Also, look here (from your last picture) to see what the motherboard says:

Johnboyjjb said:

 

Also, if it has a little motherboard speaker, or you plugged in one, you will normally get a BIOS beep code.

I just checked, this motherboard does give beep error codes.  Check page 90 of the manual.

Y'all are awesome. I'll start in the manual when I get home. 
 

I tried plugging the monitor into the onboard hdmi and the graphics card. I also tried both hdmi input ports on the monitor. 
I did not wear a ground strap but have been careful to ground myself before touching anything. Assembly was on a wood kitchen table, clean bare hands. 
I haven't heard any beeping so I'm not sure why. 
I suppose if the manual doesn't get me on the right track I'll pull the graphics card from her old machine. It works. 
 

Thanks. I'll post updates. 

That model processor does not have an onboard GPU, so you wouldn't get anything out of the on board HDMI.

First thing I'd check would be if the graphics card has six or eight pin connector for extra power (which it likely will have - look for connectors either on the top or the side of the end of the card that's furthest away from the slot cover). Symptoms kinda match what you (don't) see when not plugging in the extra power connectors.

Trying to put in another known good card is a good idea, too, just to check if the card you have doesn't like the MB or has taken a dirt nap. I've had graphics cards arrive DOA in the past.

BoxheadTim (Forum Supporter) said:

That model processor does not have an onboard GPU, so you wouldn't get anything out of the on board HDMI.

First thing I'd check would be if the graphics card has six or eight pin connector for extra power (which it likely will have - look for connectors either on the top or the side of the end of the card that's furthest away from the slot cover). Symptoms kinda match what you (don't) see when not plugging in the extra power connectors.

Trying to put in another known good card is a good idea, too, just to check if the card you have doesn't like the MB or has taken a dirt nap. I've had graphics cards arrive DOA in the past.

Just a note, you did get the video card hooked up properly (assuming the other end is plugged into the power supply, of course!) :):

One other thing that I haven't seen mentioned is that sometimes it's difficult to get RAM modules or graphics cards to fully seat in a given motherboard.  It can often take a surprising amount of force to fully seat them.  Make sure everything is aligned, and that the card is situated such that the retaining screw tab on the card hits the rear apron of the chassis and is secured with a screw. 

At least some manufacturers on certain motherboards have taken to putting only one snap-in retaining clip on RAM slots.  The other end you just have to kind of have to lever in and then push down to fully seat the module, then secure the clip.  I'm guessing it's for cost savings, because I don't see it as an improvement.

WonkoTheSane (FS) said:

BoxheadTim (Forum Supporter) said:

That model processor does not have an onboard GPU, so you wouldn't get anything out of the on board HDMI.

First thing I'd check would be if the graphics card has six or eight pin connector for extra power (which it likely will have - look for connectors either on the top or the side of the end of the card that's furthest away from the slot cover). Symptoms kinda match what you (don't) see when not plugging in the extra power connectors.

Trying to put in another known good card is a good idea, too, just to check if the card you have doesn't like the MB or has taken a dirt nap. I've had graphics cards arrive DOA in the past.

Just a note, you did get the video card hooked up properly (assuming the other end is plugged into the power supply, of course!) :):

Good catch, looks like the power connectors are already plugged into the card. Yeah, I'd check that the connectors are seated correctly at both ends (if you have a modular power supply) or at least at the card end (if you have a power supply with fixed connectors). Then double check with a known good card.

barefootskater (Shaun) said:

...I haven't heard any beeping so I'm not sure why...
 

Others can probably provide more info on this, but some (most?) MB don't have a speaker on them (which is silly considering).  With one of my computers, I had to find an old style speaker from an old motherboard to plug into one of those little jumper pin things.  If you don't have an old speaker, I am not sure what your options.  I am pretty sure there is no way the motherboard sound will come out of the normal sound ports (audio jack).