Adrian_Thompson wrote:
Harley Davidsons
Agreed 100%.
Any Ferrari since the since the 456
I suppose, something around that time period. I liked the 360.
Diablo's
Only because it attempted to replace the Countach.
Evo's
Yeah. The Evo is a car I respect, but don't really like.
NASCAR's
The cars aren't the point in NASCAR.... 
Pick up trucks as daily drivers.
Philistine.
Mine:
Most C3 Vettes. I know there were good ones, but my earliest memories of Vettes were the late 70s-early 80s junk.
Skyline GT-R: Like the Evo, I respect it, but don't love it. It's ugly and appears to be fragile. Plus, it's such a polarizing car I'm just tired of hearing about it.
Mini-SUVs: The fuel mileage and poor handling of an SUV with the cargo and towing capacity of a car. Gee, where do I sign?
Spec cars in professional racing: Spec series are great for amateurs, where there are big differences in driving skill. At the top level, parity creates too much follow-the-leader. See the IRL (and more and more, NASCAR).
I can't think of any more right now. I like most cars, or can at least find something to appreciate about most of them.
Tom_Spangler wrote:
Pick up trucks as daily drivers.
Philistine.
I'm suprised you didn't out me for my e-mail asking you if I can borrow yours this weekend!!!
Josh
HalfDork
6/9/09 10:26 a.m.
The more I think about it, the more I realize that I can find some sort of redeeming quality in just about any contraption comprised of an engine and some number of wheels. I don't really get people who hate some particular brand/model/category of vehicles unless they have just personally had a bad experience with them they can't get over.
BMWs are great cars, though admittedly not for everyone (although, they try harder to be each year). Personally, I think someone who ascribes characteristics to a person based on what sort of car they drive is sort of a dick :).
Any "show" type car that is not driven in any kind of real way.
This of course applies to most of those show "chopper" bikes. Yes some of them are ridden, but they must ride HORRIBLY.
Harley's with opened up exhaust. I can excuse using silly old designs for no reason except for a lumpy idle, but blasting everyone around you because you think it is cool is just stupid (the fact that the police effectively refuse to enforce sound laws against them only adds to this).
RossD
Reader
6/9/09 10:49 a.m.
I hate when car companies slap a different badge on a car and give it a new name. It they are going to badge-ngineer something, they should at least give it a different focus (ie: sport or luxury, fwd or awd, I4 or V8)
Skyline GTR - i want to like them, but whenever you have a conversation about supercars, the dumb lil 17 year olds have to throw it it - just shut up.
Bentley Arnages - Oh my god, the WORST piece of E36 M3 ever built! Check engine lights, Alarm goes off every 2 minutes, Radio cant find a station, has so much friggin play in the wheel, i could keep going...
Honda Preludes - It is a good car, just the owners piss me off, the same 17 year olds that throw 19's on them and intakes, then try to race you as you go home.
New Toyota Tundra - blind me everytime one gets behind me
S13 240sx - All because it is a good starting point for a drift car doesnt mean its a drift car. Throwing a big exhaust and 17 inch wheels on your stock KA24 with 240,000 miles and stock suspension and open diff, it doesnt qualify you as a drifter
list can go on...
Sometimes it's every car I own. Not that anyone fawns over them either.
RexSeven wrote:
As I metioned, I've driven the Fox-body and though I was going to die the instant I hinted at turning. The owner threw all his money into the engine bay and none of it into brakes or suspension tuning. Can you say, "snap-oversteer?" While I understand that particular example was poorly tuned, it turned me off very quickly.
This is a prime example of what I hate about most car enthusiasts. They seem smart and reasonable, then their brains show a really limited amount of ability to look beyond individual examples.
"I drove a really crappy example that had been mis-tuned by an owner, so I hate all examples that have that same badge."
And the corollary, "I have and love a highly modded example of a car that is otherwise crap, but I can't accept that other cars that I think are crap can be great if slightly modded."
I've disliked individual examples of some cars, due to their actual condition or state of tune, but I don't hate ANY car, and can have fun with/enjoy any car, in pretty much every genre.
I've had/driven Fox Mustangs that pulled over 1G laterally and were great to drive on the track or street, and I've been in basically drag versions that were crap around corners. I've had musclecars that didn't turn, and cars like my '70 Mustang autocrosser that did. I've had custom 4 doors and custom wagons that were quite cool, and got a lot of respect on the street. I've had a couple that weren't. I'm on my 3rd Range Rover (an '01 HSE) and my previous Classic Rangies were outstanding offroaders and tow vehicles, that were cheap to buy and run.
EricM wrote:
The list is short for me.
any BMW, sorry, they may be great cars, just the dicks and shiny happy people (nice filter! I said a$$holes though....) driving them have ruined it.
Same response as my last one. That shows a mental problem on your end, not on theirs.
Idiots can be found driving all cars. Using that as a reason to hate the cars is worse than petty.
I hate Bimmers because they're overpriced, over engineered, cost a fortune to maintain and new ones are typically driven by ego-driven, penile-lacking pricks that feel they are better than anyone else.
EricM
HalfDork
6/9/09 1:45 p.m.
Chris_V wrote:
EricM wrote:
The list is short for me.
any BMW, sorry, they may be great cars, just the dicks and shiny happy people (nice filter! I said a$$holes though....) driving them have ruined it.
Same response as my last one. That shows a mental problem on your end, not on theirs.
Idiots can be found driving all cars. Using that as a reason to hate the cars is worse than petty.
Eh, I still hate 'em. I commute to work on my bike, and I have imperical evidance that BMW drivers are douchebages. I am not asking you to agree with me, and I do take a litte offence to having my metal capabilites called into question.
Josh
HalfDork
6/9/09 1:59 p.m.
Bobzilla wrote:
I hate Bimmers because they're typically driven by ego-driven, penile-lacking pricks that feel they are better than anyone else.
What I can't figure out is, given these assumptions and your super attitude, why you don't own one already.
EricM
HalfDork
6/9/09 2:01 p.m.
In reply to Cotton:
Bicycle, Trek Soho single speed. SO I am douchy like that, riding a trendy single speed.
Josh wrote:
Bobzilla wrote:
I hate Bimmers because they're typically driven by ego-driven, penile-lacking pricks that feel they are better than anyone else.
What I can't figure out is, given these assumptions and your super attitude, why you don't own one already.
I'm guessing your garage is already filled? You completely ignored the important part of the message... you know the cost of maintenance, over priced parts, stuff falling off/bending... I mentioned that too. But the only part you read was the relevant part to your personal life.
Josh
HalfDork
6/9/09 2:27 p.m.
Bobzilla wrote:
You completely ignored the important part of the message... you know the cost of maintenance, over priced parts, stuff falling off/bending... I mentioned that too. But the only part you read was the relevant part to your personal life.
No, I'm pretty sure I quoted the part I meant to. The part where you hurl blanket insults at people based on what sort of car they drive. That part that pretty much makes you sound like a world class... well, whatever you'd call a BMW owner :P.
Your first point was mostly a myth spread by vastly underinformed, knee-jerk know-it-alls like yourself. Not that I am really complaining, thanks a ton for helping to drive down resale values to the point where I could afford one!
Skyline GTR
P71
Any of the new big rwd mopars, challenger, charger, etc. They are big and ugly, not to mention the car of choice for unpleasant drivers.
New camaro, i saw one yesterday, yuck
Any pretty much any american muscle car that you cant get even a rusty bondo covered one for under $5k or whatever. Chevelles, camaros, chargers, challengers, cudas, etc. I can see where driving a big v8 powered car would be fun, but there are still plenty of cheap ones around.
Prius, because they arent really helping save any fuel when being driven 85 mph on the freeway getting the same milage as cars you could buy in the early 90s, Dont buy one unless you do most of your driving in stop and go traffic
Any 2wd 1/2 ton or 3/4 ton truck with a 7 foot high roof line, and a 5 foot bed. My 1970 chevy is way smaller and willl hold alot more stuff.
If you want to include cars to dislike because of who drives them:
Newer bmws
Newer mercedes
Lexus SUVs, they are usually driven by small women that think its acceptable to ride your bumper no matter which lane you are in if you arent going as fast as they want you to.
Josh wrote:
Bobzilla wrote:
You completely ignored the important part of the message... you know the cost of maintenance, over priced parts, stuff falling off/bending... I mentioned that too. But the only part you read was the relevant part to your personal life.
No, I'm pretty sure I quoted the part I meant to. The part where you hurl blanket insults at people based on what sort of car they drive. That part that pretty much makes you sound like a world class... well, whatever you'd call a BMW owner :P.
Your first point was mostly a myth spread by vastly underinformed, knee-jerk know-it-alls like yourself. Not that I am really complaining, thanks a ton for helping to drive down resale values to the point where I could afford one!
Think what you want. I price parts to the UCD on these turds weekly for the last 7 years. Not much of a "myth" when I can support it with 7 years of hard data.
Bobzilla wrote:
Think what you want. I price parts to the UCD on these turds weekly for the last 7 years. Not much of a "myth" when I can support it with 7 years of hard data.
Yes, they are expensive to buy and maintain. Some people think the driving experience is worth it. I certainly did when I bought the car last year. Lately, I'm not so sure, but that's a different matter.
Of course there are people who buy them for brand prestige. But there are plenty of people who don't. Please try not to lump us all in together. Do I cease to be an "ego-driven, penile-lacking prick that feels he is better than anyone else" when I drive my 10-year old pickup truck, or does it carry over?
EricM wrote:
Eh, I still hate 'em. I commute to work on my bike, and I have imperical evidance that BMW drivers are douchebages. I am not asking you to agree with me, and I do take a litte offence to having my metal capabilites called into question.
And I spend time with an excellent community of BMW 7 series owners that are all DIY types, have fantastic family get togethers over the cars, and will go out of their way to help another community member in need. If you feel that it's fair to call us names, then it's fair for me to take offense and call you names back.
Bobzilla wrote:
Josh wrote:
Bobzilla wrote:
You completely ignored the important part of the message... you know the cost of maintenance, over priced parts, stuff falling off/bending... I mentioned that too. But the only part you read was the relevant part to your personal life.
No, I'm pretty sure I quoted the part I meant to. The part where you hurl blanket insults at people based on what sort of car they drive. That part that pretty much makes you sound like a world class... well, whatever you'd call a BMW owner :P.
Your first point was mostly a myth spread by vastly underinformed, knee-jerk know-it-alls like yourself. Not that I am really complaining, thanks a ton for helping to drive down resale values to the point where I could afford one!
Think what you want. I price parts to the UCD on these turds weekly for the last 7 years. Not much of a "myth" when I can support it with 7 years of hard data.
Are you buying parts from the dealer? I maintain my own 7 series, and have for the last few years. I average about $400 in parts per year, and at 170k miles, I think that's pretty GD fair. As I mentioned, i spend a lot of time with a community of 7 series owners, and some over the years have not bin DIY types and had their cars serviced at the BMW dealer. Yeah, that can get pricey in a hurry. But a lot of us don't spend any more on our cars than we would on a Honda.
I replaced a windshield. Insurance covered the $200 bill. I replaced the radiator at 145k miles. $140 and about 15 minutes time.
