CEO Shot -a thread

In reply to Boost_Crazy :

I'm not sure I would say the system has been intentionally sabotaged, but there are definitely systemic issues that go beyond a simple "govt/single payer" solution. Especially under the current political climate. "Intentional" would convey some sort of grand plan over decades and these folks rarely look farther ahead than the next few quarterly shareholder reports. 

I disagree with the statement "health insurance is NOT health care" to a certain extent.  Unfortunately, they have become so intertwined the distinction between them is blurred.  One of the issues I've felt over the past decade plus of living in the High Deductible/HSA system is the loss of having a Primary Care Physician.  At least here in wonderful over-populated suburbia where there aren't really enough doctors offices for the number of local residents.  Going to a Dr for anything is just... painfully annoying. 

For me, the insurance process is so convoluted and tiresome, the incentive to avoid preventive care is high.  I'm 54 years old.  I have had a colonoscopy?  No. And I doubt I ever will.  And due to my general good health, by the time I'm actually forced to see a Dr about something, it'll probably be too late to do anything about it.  I pay for health insurance, but I sometimes wonder why.  It definitely doesn't provide health care but for me to GET health care, I have to go through my insurance FIRST.  So I don't get health care. And that is the sort of fatalistic attitude I have. 

As far as the CEO assassin, he will almost certainly be charged with first degree murder.  And it seems he has provided enough evidence to suspect a guilty verdict.  From a pure view of the law, his motives cannot justify the actions. It's too early to know or understand his motives, but it seems he is OK with being a martyr in his mind and apparently the minds of others as well.  Frustration can definitely drive a person to drastic action.  Perhaps he felt his life is so far gone that it can't get any worse.  Who knows... I'm sure the talking heads on TV will debate it for at least a week or two until the next shiny news topic comes along.

For better or worse, our system has been slowly manipulated over the last... 150 years or so... to keep the general population just comfortable enough that a large majority aren't willing to die to affect change.  But occasionally there will be an outlier... It might even move the needle a bit one direction or the other...  

My WAG is we are more likely to see regulation debates about "ghost boom-sticks" than any changes to the healthcare system. Something, something... Deflect... something, something... 

aircooled said:

In reply to Mr_Asa :

No, I mean get money to pay, outside of insurance.   I think we know he had a policy with that company (?)

I followed.  But we have know clue what the parents' personal policies towards their kids are.  Maybe they have a firm policy that they stand on their own once they are out of the house/college/whatever.

At a certain point, hypothesizing is just mental masturbation.

In reply to Mr_Asa :

Hypothesizing is only bad or worthless if you treat it as the truth which I think I am careful not to.

If you don't it can be very helpful (when compared with the eventual reality) in developing skills to decipher things and make good inferences with limited information, and that is a useful skill.

stuart in mn said:

The thing I've been wondering about this guy:  he's apparently pretty smart (valedictorian of his high school class, an advanced college degree) yet he's caught with the gun, fake ID and some sort of manifesto.  Apparently he's never read any crime novels, in them the first thing a criminal does is throw the gun in a river and destroy any incriminating documents.

I suspect he's the type who has the sort of arrogance that happens when someone who is smarter than average fails to realize that doesn't mean you are smarter than all your enemies put together.

In reply to j_tso :

The Affordable Care Act. The version that we have in place was structured in a way that everyone involved knew was unworkable. Some hope it will fail and be repealed. Others hope it wait fail but parts of it are too popular to undo, leading to a full single payer system as a fix. 

Boost_Crazy said:

In reply to j_tso :

The Affordable Care Act. The version that we have in place was structured in a way that everyone involved knew was unworkable. Some hope it will fail and be repealed. Others hope it wait fail but parts of it are too popular to undo, leading to a full single payer system as a fix. 

 Stop making it sound so cool, it's structured in a way that makes select indviduals and organizations a lot of money with no sign of single payer in sight.

Not going to read the 5 pages .....

But I hope the McDonalds worker gets the Reward for pointing him out to the Police.

The0retical said:

In reply to Boost_Crazy :

I'm going to be as polite and civil as I can here. That response is one that flat out smacks of someone who has never been on the wrong side of an encounter with a health insurer.

That seems obvious:

Me, I wouldn't start with the house. I'd start with the less painfull things like Netflix and Starbucks, but I realize that doesn't sound as dramatic.

In reply to californiamilleghia :

Rewards for tips have a shaky history for payment.  There are already stories about why the reporting person might not get paid

In reply to Ian F (Forum Supporter) :

For me, the insurance process is so convoluted and tiresome, the incentive to avoid preventive care is high.  I'm 54 years old.  I have had a colonoscopy?  No. And I doubt I ever will.  And due to my general good health, by the time I'm actually forced to see a Dr about something, it'll probably be too late to do anything about it.  I pay for health insurance, but I sometimes wonder why.  It definitely doesn't provide health care but for me to GET health care, I have to go through my insurance FIRST.  So I don't get health care. And that is the sort of fatalistic attitude I have. 
 

Get the colonoscopy. Or at least the Cologuard pre screening. Many providers have you do that first, then cover the colonoscopy if you get a positive result. I'm 5 years younger than you. I had it done recently. If I had it done a year or two prior, my life would be much easier right now. I have had a lot more experience with healthcare and insurance than I would prefer lately. It does suck, both the cancer treatment and the cost. But I caught it early enough that it's still very treatable. I had no symptoms- still don't other than the affects of the radiation and chemo. I also avoided doctors as I have always been healthy. I didn't have time. Ironically, my push to get healthier led me to start getting checked out. I'm the most fit that I've been in 15 years, and I didn't want to drop dead overdoing it on the mountain bike or at soccer practice, so I started getting regular check ups about three years ago. My doctor ordered a Cologuard test for me a couple years ago. Unfortunately he didn't tell me and the request fell through the cracks. Luckily I saw a different doctor this year that ordered me another test. But catching it a year or two earlier would most likely have allowed me to avoid what I'm dealing with now. I don't like to share too much personal info, but if this helps anyone reading this it's worth it. 

In reply to red_stapler :

 Stop making it sound so cool, it's structured in a way that makes select indviduals and organizations a lot of money with no sign of single payer in sight.
 

???
I was just trying to take the politics out of a highly political topic. Not trying to make anything sound cool. It's not cool at all, nobody wanted the way that it is. That's not opinion, it's public record. Those in favor see it as cracking the door partway open, those against see it as holding the door partway closed. Yes, as a side effect, large companies got larger. They were best equipped to wade through the extra regulation and demands brought on by the changes, and the connections to make the most of them. Many of the little guys went away. Which was ironic, because for it to work as intended, they needed more competition in the marketplace, not less. 

Steve_Jones said:

Well he is on camera doing it, and confessed in writing, so we do.

Ah, I didn't realize there was a confession. My mistake. 

Can you just give us back the meme thread so I don't have to read all this bullE36 M3? I'm literally resorting to reading the news.

maschinenbau said:

Can you just give us back the meme thread so I don't have to read all this bullE36 M3? I'm literally resorting to reading the news.

Fir real though you got mad people were talking about a forbidden subject then you go and lock an amazing thread and start a new thread on the forbidden subject? I'm telling Tom on you

I have not read all the previous posts about this but I would like to add a couple of things. My first response was "Aww, the greedy CEO got killed by an unhappy customer, that's too bad" (sarcasm implied) but then I felt that he was just another CEO doing what a good CEO does and that is make money for his investors and that he and his family didn't deserve that. Anyways, something good could come out of this and that good thing is that hopefully the culture of greed we have in North America will change. What if CEO's just tried to get small, steady growth and actually tried to do right by their employees and customers? I know, radical idea but I really believe if we all relaxed a little in our pursuit of more and more and more, we would all be happier and maybe there would be fewer assassination attempts

I thought about the apathy towards the killer. How did the country get like this? Then I thought of Clyde Barrow and Bonnie Parker. They violently robbed banks and were lauded as folk heroes. No one today seems to stick up for bank robbers. But in the Great Depression, when banks were foreclosing on everything, Bonnie and Clyde were seen as sticking it to the people that berkeleyed over the common man.

See any parallels?

In reply to Appleseed :

Yes I do, but not likely the same parallels that you see. And in a word, it's disappointing.