I understand about the shotgun doing the best job. I mentioned that I might start travelling and would want to take the weapon with me.
Knowing my nature it would be short range as I would get in someone's face before committing to pulling the trigger. I'm basing this on a situation with two armed men many year's ago. Pulling the trigger is a huge responsibility that I wouldn't take lightly. Absolutely last resort.
I have an old S&W 10-5 38 spl wheel gun... once loaded you pull the trigger and it goes pow... no safety to release, not slide to rack or anything else... if it doesn't go pow because of a primer issue you pull the trigger again and the next round goes pow... speed loader or two of defensive rounds for home stuff, but shoots the cheapest reloads you could want at the range... perfect gun just to sit and wait for when/if you need to pull the trigger... I still need to replace the wood grips with a shaped rubber houge type grip for my big hands but don't shoot it often enough to have bothered yet
18.5" barreled pump shotgun is on the list but hasn't been very high... prob pick up a 9mm before the shotgun to be honest.
for pleasure shooting I've always wanted a .22lr pistol although finding .22 hasn't been easy of late... but still a 500ct box historically has been super rcheap
Buy a cheap 870 and have the barrel cut down to the legal limit and remove the plug. More firepower than any pistol, just as many shots and not many Bubba's are going to open the bedroom door after you have racked it and told them to stay away.
Kenny_McCormic wrote: Riot shotgun, my H&R Pardner Pump Protector 18" was $212 OTD on sale at Dunham's and is better built than any current production 870 its knocking off short of a military model(because the Norinco/"Hawk" built 870s ARE military models).
So the Pardner is a knock off 870, I thought so. Do you know if all the regular 870 bits change out(stocks, pump grips, ect)? I'm a mossy 500 fan and plan to build a Mav 88, but the 870 has a better rack release and more parts available.
Hasbro, you are no longer with power to make your own decision. We, the internet, has spoken and decided for you: you need a shotgun. You will defend your home with it, travel with it, sleep with it, and race your rice beater with it.
slow wrote: Hasbro, you are no longer with power to make your own decision. We, the internet, has spoken and decided for you: you need a shotgun. You will defend your home with it, travel with it, sleep with it, and race your rice beater with it.
Prime for say what
Actually when I travel the shotgun is normally in the trunk but then I also have a handgun on my hip. Remember a shot gun is NOT a long range weapon. I can hit a clay pigeon with my Dan Wesson .357 at 100 yards all day long. With a shot gun you are generally LUCKY to have a piece of buckshot hit the pigeon at that range and that greatly depends on your choke.
neon4891 wrote:Kenny_McCormic wrote: Riot shotgun, my H&R Pardner Pump Protector 18" was $212 OTD on sale at Dunham's and is better built than any current production 870 its knocking off short of a military model(because the Norinco/"Hawk" built 870s ARE military models).So the Pardner is a knock off 870, I thought so. Do you know if all the regular 870 bits change out(stocks, pump grips, ect)? I'm a mossy 500 fan and plan to build a Mav 88, but the 870 has a better rack release and more parts available.
Pretty sure the only difference in terms of fitment is the barrel lug is a few inches farther forward on account of the longer 5 round tube, you can use standard 870 barrels if you fab a spacer, the stock forend is even clearanced for it.
I wouldn't call it a knock of as much as an improvement, parkerized, metal trigger guard, brass inserts for buttplate and sling screws in the very thick synthetic furniture, its 5+1 and in my testing doesn't seem to jam up if you somehow get a shell under the bolt despite not having the modern 870 flexi lifter. And judging by how the thing sounds like something satan would own when you rack it, I suspect the springs are all heavier too. I run mine hard playing around with it when a suitable area to shoot it presents itself(including the occasional inertia racking) and it's still trusted to lean against my nightstand ready to rock and roll.
rebelgtp wrote: Actually when I travel the shotgun is normally in the trunk but then I also have a handgun on my hip. Remember a shot gun is NOT a long range weapon. I can hit a clay pigeon with my Dan Wesson .357 at 100 yards all day long. With a shot gun you are generally LUCKY to have a piece of buckshot hit the pigeon at that range and that greatly depends on your choke.
Do you honestly expect to ever end up in a defensive firefight at 100 yards? That's rifle range, maybe slugs, definitely not handgun work. Can you hit a clay at 100 yards with a revolver offhand? With the clay shooting at you?
Kenny_McCormic wrote:rebelgtp wrote: Actually when I travel the shotgun is normally in the trunk but then I also have a handgun on my hip. Remember a shot gun is NOT a long range weapon. I can hit a clay pigeon with my Dan Wesson .357 at 100 yards all day long. With a shot gun you are generally LUCKY to have a piece of buckshot hit the pigeon at that range and that greatly depends on your choke.Do you honestly expect to ever end up in a defensive firefight at 100 yards? That's rifle range, maybe slugs, definitely not handgun work. Can you hit a clay at 100 yards with a revolver offhand? With the clay shooting at you?
Actually yes I hit the clay at 100 yard off hand with the revolver, but you have to realize this is a 6 inch heavy barrel model and a short crisp trigger in single action and butter smooth in double. I mostly shoot that range with the Dan just for kicks and started doing it just to see if I could.
If it comes down to being in a firefight at that range in my day to day now then the S has REALLY hit the fan. That is why I was pointing out the shotgun was a close to medium range weapon not long range as someone else posted 
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Oh and technically speaking yes I have been shot at at just a tick over 100 yards. Yes I returned fire, and yes I hit my target. But then again I was packing my carbine at the time.
That Stevens I posted earlier is a clone (with some updates) of the old Ithaca M37. Supposedly there is a way to modify it to slam fire just like the orignals did back in the bay 
Oh and while these are marked Savage/Stevens they are actually Norinco manufactured.
I knew I had a pic of it somewhere. Here is the Dan Wesson, as mentioned in the above post not exactly what you would use as a "carry" gun. The thing weighs a ton with that shroud.
slow wrote: Hasbro, you are no longer with power to make your own decision. We, the internet, has spoken and decided for you: you need a shotgun. You will defend your home with it, travel with it, sleep with it, and race your rice beater with it.
Can I use the shells that have the little metal arrows in them instead of pellets? My oldest brother sent me some of the arrows from Viet Nam way back when. He carried a .45 and a sawed off shotgun.
In reply to Hasbro:
Those are called flechettes and no they are generally frowned upon when used as a self defense rounds.
Oh and actually if those are boxed military rounds they could be worth something as a collectors item. I have a box of .38 special military rounds that are worth about 3 times what a similar box of modern ammo would be.
Generally frowned upon, kinda like full auto weapons for home defense.
ryanty22 wrote: Generally frowned upon, kinda like full auto weapons for home defense.
Technically speaking depending on you state and if you have a your full auto legally licensed you could use it for defense. Over kill but it could happen. I don't think there is a state the flechettes would be legal as for one thing they can be considered "armor piercing". They are so small they can go through the weave of a Kevlar vest.
Yeah but a full auto for home defense would be frowned upon by authorites even legally owned. But yeah I think flechettes are completely illegal everywhere unless maybe leo only, anf id doubt that
Close range? You obviously want two Katanas and maybe a Tanto blade in back. The ability to leap several yards from a standstill and to run on walls and ceilings is a plus.
Flechettes are completely legal, but they're less effective than buckshot. Typically, half the rounds are packed backwards, and won't have enough distance to reverse and stabilize at typical SD range. They're light, they lose velocity quickly, and if they don't hit pointy end first, they're not going to penetrate effectively.
$200 isn't a lot to work with, so for a handgun, I'd consider buying used.
Taurus judge, best of all worlds!!
JtspellS wrote:
I know someone whose carry is a Judge. The rationale is, yeah it's really inaccurate at longer range, but if the range is that long then your life isn't threatened enough to justify lethal force yet. It's more of a close range OHE36 M3 defense gun.
Not that I'd want to be downrange at ANY distance if one was fired in my general direction, mind you.
In response to rebelgtp: you can hit (consistently) a 6" target clay at 100 yards. Offhand. With a pistol.
I don't know what you do for a living but I'm thinking exhibition shooter or police sniper should be on your short list. That's some......impressive shooting.
In reply to KyAllroad:
About 7-8 out of 10 times I can. With that particular revolver. I try and do it with something else and that margin drops considerably. My friends and I tend to try "trick shots" when at the range to keep things interesting. Small targets, long range stuff with .22s, moving targets you name it. But then where I live going shooting multiple times a week is the norm and I have been shooting since I was like 6 I think it was when I got my Chipmunk. Heck I can hand damn near anyone my one .22 rifle and tell them exactly where to hold over to hit a target at 300 yards with it. Did that with my wife and her second squeeze of the trigger and she hit the gong at the range. But that is also familiarity of shooting the same firearms ALOT. Oh and several of the guys I shoot with are competition shooters, snipers and of course all of us are hunters out here.
JtspellS wrote:
Except if you live in California, a friend had one and moved there he went to register and had to sell his to someone back here because they are considered a short barreled shotgun and are illegal there.
The whole idea of short barrel shotgun is that in a time of stress, you will be much more accurate with a shotgun than a handgun. There are a lot of short distance situations where you will be more accurate throwing the gun at your target than to hit it with a bullet. Home defense was the original issue; guns are like shoes, each situation calls for a different answer.
I don't understand the love for the Judge. The .410 is a wimpy cartridge, and while the .45 Long Colt (which the judge can also fire) is pretty stout, a pistol actually made for that cartridge will be much better. The Judge is a huge pistol with a tiny barrel, and seems to be designed expressly for blowing up watermelons with birdshot (which is NOT a viable defensive round).
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