In reply to mtn (Forum Supporter) :
The plague.
In reply to mtn (Forum Supporter) :
The plague.
tester (Forum Supporter) said:In reply to mtn (Forum Supporter) :
The plague.
That is very much still a thing, even in the southwest US.
Vermin/animal control to minimize the number of rats and mice hosting plague-carrying fleas, and flea control for pets and stuff, has curtailed it considerably.
Sort of like the best way to deal with malaria is DDT and other pesticides so mosquitoes aren't there to transmit it.... except for that whole "wrecking the rest of the ecosystem" thing.
I will get the vaccine as soon as possible. I work in an essential business by my states guidelines, but my location is not public facing, so I will probably be stuck waiting a while. It can't come soon enough imho.
Thanks for lots of great insight and information Curtis73
tester (Forum Supporter) said:In reply to mtn (Forum Supporter) :
The plague.
Certain populations at one point probably had herd immunity from it, like Europe (after it wiped out 33% of their population). But it's also not a virus. So, it is not a valid argument to my statement.
I'll probably get it when it comes around to the normal people sector.
SVreX (Forum Supporter) said:In reply to Curtis73 (Forum Supporter) :
I have no issue with metaphors.
It's a little hard to continue to ride with your very aggressive push to defend your speculative positions. You are dominating the thread and calling it "science", but arguing for ideas that are completely speculative on your part, and completely rearward focused.
I love you, and think you are one of the smartest guys I know. I also agree with most of what you say. But this thread (like others before it) has been dragged down the toilet of speculative debate, and is not very useful.
There are differing valid views. You are not giving space for the ideas that compete with yours to coexist. You are taking the air out of the room.
I don't care what "might have happened if only we had...". I don't completely buy it. Millions of people have made monumental efforts, and done the best we can in the moment. We need to continue doing that moving forward, not arguing about ways we could have done it better.
It was a legitimate thread that asked how people feel about getting the vaccine, because there are legitimate differing viewpoints and concerns. It has turned into something different.
I prefer hearing varying viewpoints, even when I disagree. It gives me better perspective and understanding. I disagree with the approach of shouting down people with differing viewpoints, and making arguments out of gross speculation.
Thank you so much for writing this. It's what I wanted to say but couldn't put into words. The word "science" and the phrase "in my opinion" certainly seems to be used interchangeably now a days.
Being a technician, I use many forms of science in my every day life. I am less with not having to be in an area with a huge covid problem. But if I don’t jump 100% on board with the aggressive narrative of a few on here, they respond with snide and smug comments implying I don’t believe in science. Or must think covid is fake, or am a conspiracy nut. Even though none of those things are true. And that response is from the NICER guys!!!
Paul did a much better job of countering that than I ever could, and I greatly appreciate it.
To the original posts question, I will wait till there is more info on the vaccine before taking it. I am blessed to be in a situation where it affects me less. I’m glad others are interested in taking it early, so we that want to know more about it can get that chance. I know it will not be offered to me tomorrow, but that was not part of the question.
My 90 y/o grandmother gets her first dose today. Follow-up in late January. I'm so relieved.
AstraZenica has said their vaccine has had stupendous results. Has anyone seen the data yet? I've looked for it but been unable to find it so far.
Scotty Con Queso said:
The word "science" and the phrase "in my opinion" certainly seems to be used interchangeably now a days.
This is what makes me so mad about Neil Degrasse Tyson. I dunno if he coined this phrase but he's definitely repeated it. It goes something like "That's the great thing about science, you don't have to believe it". It's a dogmatc statement that makes it hard to question the 'science'.
Many people today LOOOOOVE to fly the 'science' card like it's indisputable. But that's actually the opposite point of science, which is to question and test in order to get closer to truth. True science and true scientists welcome questioning. Science doesn't advance because everyone walks around blindly agreeing with whatever it says...
To be clear i'm not trying to point this at anyone in the thread. You all have just touched on something that I see all over the place in general and I'm irritated by it just about every time I see it.
Still no word from my Mother's nursing home as to when she will get it. I guess the whole point of the thread is "is anybody getting it". She is 90, has diabetes and heart problems and there is no word yet. But the nursing home called last night to tell me another one of the residents in her home got infected.
No. She is not getting it yet. People who are less at risk than she is are getting it. She is not.
I don't get it.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-vaccines-distribut-idUSKBN28X2J6
Why the delay? Nobody has even called me to get authorization and I have Power of Attorney.
Something funny is going on.
In reply to Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) :
You should probably ask the care facility. My wife's father is scheduled for Jan 10. The day his facility gets the vaccine.
Toyman01 (Moderately Supportive Dude) said:In reply to Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) :
You should probably ask the care facility. My wife's father is scheduled for Jan 10. The day his facility gets the vaccine.
I did ask them. They don't know.
I asked them again last night when another resident got infected.
They still don't know.
In reply to Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) :
Why are you linking articles from Iowa, etc?
Here is a Texas specific article:
Texas COVID vaccination distribution plan
Looks like the Federal program being administered by CVS and Walgreens was scheduled to begin TODAY in TX. (according to that article which was written 6 days ago)
It's not a conspiracy, Snowdoggie. It's a really big job, and we all need a little patience.
In reply to SVreX (Forum Supporter) :
Not sure it is a conspiracy, but nobody at the nursing home seems to know anything and I am hearing nothing in the media about it at all. Most of the news articles are about a week old. When they got the first shipment in every TV station in town was showing the UPS truck driving up to the Methodist Hospital loading dock. They are not covering the story anymore? Strange.
There is a CVS exactly five blocks from the nursing home. I have walked there before. The interview with the representative from CVS said they would go to the closest facilities to their stores first.
BTW, your POA may not be that important, or necessary.
My power of attorney gave me complete authority for my father's health-related decision making. Until I read the fine print...
Turns out the FINAL decision was not in my hands, it was written into the POA that a medical provider could override me. That's the checkbox my father checked when he was still able to. I'm sure he meant for it to relieve the burden from me of any terrible decisions, and to trust his medical providers. But it also took the teeth out of my authority.
It would not surprise me to find out the medical providers do not need your signature on anything to administer this vaccine to your mother, considering the whole picture.
In reply to Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) :
Sounds like you have your answer. And those vaccinations apparently started today.
But they've got 460,000 of them to do in TX.
In reply to Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) :
Has your mother's long term care facility registered for the Federal program being administered by CVS and Walgreens?
If so, be patient. If not, ask why the berkeley not.
In reply to Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) :
I really haven't been following it that closely, but was CVS able to equip all of its stores with the chillers that the vaccine needs for storage? Is it possible that the closest CVS with the appropriate freezer is farther away?
SVreX (Forum Supporter) said:BTW, your POA may not be that important, or necessary.
My power of attorney gave me complete authority for my father's health-related decision making. Until I read the fine print...
Turns out the FINAL decision was not in my hands, it was written into the POA that a medical provider could override me. That's the checkbox my father checked when he was still able to. I'm sure he meant for it to relieve the burden from me of any terrible decisions, and to trust his medical providers. But it also took the teeth out of my authority.
It would not surprise me to find out the medical providers do not need your signature on anything to administer this vaccine to your mother, considering the whole picture.
There was no fine print with an override paragraph in it the POA I have. Nobody I sent it too has ever questioned it.
In reply to Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) :
I think that is pretty standard verbiage on standardized POAs.
I read it about 50 times before I noticed it.
wae said:In reply to Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) :
I really haven't been following it that closely, but was CVS able to equip all of its stores with the chillers that the vaccine needs for storage? Is it possible that the closest CVS with the appropriate freezer is farther away?
This one is a large 24 hour store in the middle of Dallas. It would surprise me if it is not equipped with the cooler. One of the largest, best equipped hospital in Dallas is five blocks in the other direction and the ambulance can get from the nursing home loading dock to the ER at that hospital in less than five minutes with moderate traffic. I timed it myself before I chose this place. They do have a cooler and all of their first line employees already got the vaccine.
SVreX (Forum Supporter) said:In reply to Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) :
I think that is pretty standard verbiage on standardized POAs.
I read it about 50 times before I noticed it.
I hate the one size fits all ones you pull out of the formbooks.
In reply to Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) :
It was written by a lawyer.
Still largely cut and paste verbiage.
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