Kel-Tec has a new pistol in .22 Magnum. 30 shot clip. I have read both good and not-so-good about it, aside from being hard to find. Any feedback or knowledge here?
Kel-Tec has a new pistol in .22 Magnum. 30 shot clip. I have read both good and not-so-good about it, aside from being hard to find. Any feedback or knowledge here?
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there are a couple of 22 mag personal defense rounds specifically designed for pistols, but i wouldn't really trust it for anything much bigger than a big dog or coyote.
other than that i've not heard anything about the kel-tec
I'd be willing to bet that the magazines get pretty annoying to load after the first dozen rounds or so. And .22 Magnum isn't all that cheap for what seems like a high volume plinker.
In for information. Mostly I'm wondering what anyone would do with a .22 magnum pistol that they couldn't do with a .22LR Buckmark, etc.
I read a review on the gun. Can't remember where. Might have been SGN or American Rifleman. If I recall, it had "teething issues." While a fun plinker, yeah, loading 30 rounds was a PITA and it had some jamming. If you want something for self defense, like, if, say, you lived in a neighborhood that turned to E36 M3 on you or something, then I would look for something else. Preferably something that starts with a "4". (My wife qualified for her CCW with a 1911. Recoil is not that bad, manageable even for a typical small framed woman.) If you want an interesting plinker that shoots expensive ammo, go for it.
Recent recall for keyholing ammo.
Really neat design though, changes from blowback to a locked breach depending on the pressure. It's on my buy list, would make a good woodsman pistol.
PMR-30. I want one. One of my customers has one and loves it. Says it's lots of fun. Yes, 30 rounds would be a PITA to load, but it's really fun to unload, if you get my drift. Definitely on my to-buy list.
What do you plan on using it for?
Unless you're increasing the range of your shots, the .22LR should do 90% of whatever the magnum is going to do, like Jake said.
If you're looking for a self defense gun, I would personally get something else.
I have to agree with brett_murphy, 22mag is much more effective out to 100-125yds in a rifle, and is a great varmint/small game round, but I don't think it will be much better than 22lr for a plinking/snake gun
I really like the concept of as I myself was looking at getting one for a pack gun. The only problem I had was out of the three I shot not one of them shot a consistent pattern. Now I'm not the best shot in the world but at 50 feet I know I can put a pretty good grouping together but the PMR-30 was all over the place. For plinking It would be fun, but there are much cheaper options that .22 mag. If you are looking for a .22 mag in a pistol you could look at the new Taurus Tracker that is chambered in .22LR and .22WMR. It comes with 2 9-round cylinders so it gives you the option of cheap plinking or a decent home defense/pack gun. It comes in a 4" barrel or 6 1/2" so you have some versatility.
I'd also noticed the PMR-30. I was curious....everybody says that .22 (in any variant) has no stopping power, but you know that it would be easy to control....all 30 rounds would hit their target with no issue. How much stopping power do 30 rounds have?
JoeyM wrote: I'd also noticed the PMR-30. I was curious....everybody says that .22 (in any variant) has no stopping power, but you know that it would be easy to control....all 30 rounds would hit their target with no issue. How much stopping power do 30 rounds have?
Point of order: a .22-250 would berkeley you up.
shiny happy person point of order: .22 Hornet and the .223 share bullet diameters...so you could call the .223 a .22, and that certainly has stopping power.
Eat it, "everybody."
In reply to Osterkraut:
Truth
I've heard it called the poor mans fn5.7.
Joey
Never, ever, underestimate the killing power of a .22. I'd estimate that it's killed more than any other sporting round.
joey48442 wrote: I've heard it called the poor mans fn5.7. Joey
Not really. Chuckhawks had a great write up on but I can't find it. 5.7 is faster than .22 WM
It's a cool gun that's pretty niche. Which is Kel-Tecs marketing strategy. Basically a better varmint or small game round. It's best out of a rifle though.
Also, stopping power is a silly word that should have no place when discussing the effectiveness of a caliber.
Kel-tec is like a high point (crap) with a lifetime warranty. Would you buy 1st gen Kia with a lifetime warranty? I don't see why not.
Do not for the love of God use a .22 for personal protection. They will bounce around someones body and hit the youngest person it can find in its way out.
Appleseed wrote: Never, ever, underestimate the killing power of a .22. I'd estimate that it's killed more than any other sporting round.
Its been a long long time since I heard it, but I once heard it stated that more people were killed by .22s (I assumed rimfire) than any other caliber. This means criminal activity, but war.
N Sperlo wrote: Kel-tec is like a high point (crap) with a lifetime warranty. Would you buy 1st gen Kia with a lifetime warranty? I don't see why not. Do not for the love of God use a .22 for personal protection. They will bounce around someones body and hit the youngest person it can find in its way out.
...please tell me you're not being serious.
In reply to Drewsifer:
Please tell me you can be more specific.
Sperlo,
The part about "Do not for the love of God use a .22 for personal protection. They will bounce around someones body and hit the youngest person it can find in its way out".
A .22 is known to bounce around just like an AK74. The round may go in at the shoulder, but come out the ass. Around here, too many kids have been killed by bouncing bullets. At war, a 223/22 is great, like Osterkraut said, but personal protection? Every firearms safety instructor I know warns against them.
EDIT: good hunting/sporting round, though.
5.45 doesn't bounce, it tumbles. It does that because it was specifically designed to do that.
.22lr is not. At least not that I've ever seen. This myth about .22lr tumbling or "bouncing" inside a person is ridiculous. It doesn't have the correct bullet design. If anything it MIGHT pass straight through someone, but more than likely that person missed what they were shooting at and hit someone else.
And why are mentioning .223/5.56? They're on a whole different level than .22lr.
In reply to Drewsifer:
You're reading way too far into what I said. Take it at face value. I'm not getting into a caliber argument today.
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