In reply to John Welsh :
I drive through ATL several times per week. It's not that bad (except for rush hour). I'd take it any chance I could before riding I-95.
In reply to John Welsh :
I drive through ATL several times per week. It's not that bad (except for rush hour). I'd take it any chance I could before riding I-95.
In reply to SVreX (Forum Supporter) :
After growing up in a more neutral area (granted, on the southern side,) and having an extremely neutral accent, (southerners say I sound like a yankee; yankee’s think I’m a dumb southern redneck) and have lived/ worked in almost a dozen north east towns, and more than a dozen southern towns (not including FL - “the farther north ya get, the more southern it becomes “) I have to disagree. A yankee can overcome his lack of manners and be just fine in the south, if he wants to. A southerner up north will ALWAYS just be “that dumb azz redneck.”
True, as long as ya have thick skin, they ARE glad to buy the beer.
In reply to 03Panther :
Well, we disagree.
I lived here for 20 years before anyone had the courtesy to tell me the difference between a Yankee and a Damned Yankee.
I literally had to close my business in part because even though I had contributed greatly to the community for 30 years, they still couldn't accept me.
That's my experience as a Yankee living in the South.
Born and raised in AR, I lived in Dutchess County, NY for a summer in college and lived in Columbus, OH for 3 years.
I was a novelty in both places, most folks just wanted to hear me talk. Granted I was in OH longer, so my sample size is pretty lop sided, but rudeness seemed far worse in OH than NY. Where I was at in NY was more rural than where I was in OH, so that may have played a part too.
I got scolded numerous times for calling ladies, ma'am, as if it was an insult. I'd apologize, and tell them I'd try and stop, but that was beat into me at a very young age, so it'll probably continue to happen. I once announced loudly and angrily to an entire terminal at the Columbus Airport, something like, "we sure as hell aren't in the south anymore!" when I mistakenly expected the jack ass in front of me to hold the door, instead of letting it slam closed on me an cause me to drop all of my luggage.
NY could have been bad if we let it, but my roommate (also from AR) and I made the best of it. We were entertaining to folks, and got to do and see a lot of things we wouldn't have otherwise, because the Yankees thought they were educating us poor backwards, ignorant, Arkies. 
In reply to SVreX (Forum Supporter) :
You were extremely nice to me and polite when we talked, so I don’t mean this ugly to you, but maybe you came down south with a typical yankee attitude, instead of trying to be polite to the dumb locals? That is the results I have seen hundreds of times. The yankee’s that want to fit in seem to do just fine. 90% of the ones in Cary NC (containment area for relocated yankees) try to force things to be just like what they left. Not figuring out that’s WHY they left.
A friend from Binghamton moved south in ‘82. Now lives in Fuguay. Tells the yanks with their attitudes to relax and fit in, or go back home. He left for a reason! ‘Course they cuss him out, and tell him he’s stupid. All the while complaining about how bad things are getting in NC now that all the ugly yankees are moving in. Anyway, trying to let this get back to the op. Just have to point out the view from a lot of time in multiple parts of both sides, instead of the negative one sided comments that came in.
In reply to dyintorace (Forum Supporter) :
I tried to send a message but it got bounced back. My number is 516 2 nine ate- 8 seven won 6. I'm picking the car up tomorrow morning.
In reply to Wally (Forum Supporter) :
Sweet adventure!
The plan so far is to fly to Orlando tonight, pick up the car on the morning, maybe hit the Garlits museum then head north hopefully making it to Pottsville PA by Friday afternoon where we will be running the dirt car. I'm not sure in the exact route yet but likely along 75 or 77 depending on what looks interesting and how quickly I get used to shifting with my left hand.
In reply to Wally (Forum Supporter) :
That took about 5 minutes. The bigger problem is knowing where the LF corner is from the right seat.
In reply to Duke :
Go till you hear the crunch. The biggest problem will be drive thrus. I kid , I kid...probably.
Wally (Forum Supporter) said:In reply to Duke :
Go till you hear the crunch. The biggest problem will be drive thrus. I kid , I kid...probably.
You need to go through in reverse, or get one of those grabber claw things.
I'm on my way.
Wally (Forum Supporter) said:
I'm on my way.
The true essence of GRM. This guy.
Lee said:Born and raised in AR, I lived in Dutchess County, NY for a summer in college and lived in Columbus, OH for 3 years.
I was a novelty in both places, most folks just wanted to hear me talk. Granted I was in OH longer, so my sample size is pretty lop sided, but rudeness seemed far worse in OH than NY. Where I was at in NY was more rural than where I was in OH, so that may have played a part too.
I got scolded numerous times for calling ladies, ma'am, as if it was an insult. I'd apologize, and tell them I'd try and stop, but that was beat into me at a very young age, so it'll probably continue to happen. I once announced loudly and angrily to an entire terminal at the Columbus Airport, something like, "we sure as hell aren't in the south anymore!" when I mistakenly expected the jack ass in front of me to hold the door, instead of letting it slam closed on me an cause me to drop all of my luggage.
NY could have been bad if we let it, but my roommate (also from AR) and I made the best of it. We were entertaining to folks, and got to do and see a lot of things we wouldn't have otherwise, because the Yankees thought they were educating us poor backwards, ignorant, Arkies.
I'm still not exactly sure what a Yankee is. I have had people here in Texas call me a "Yankee" because I was born in California, even though I always thought Yankees were either from New York or at least the Northeast and California is about as far from New York as you can get without going into the Pacific. Are Hawaiians Yankees too? I had a former girlfriend who was called a "Yankee" because she was born in El Paso which is closer to New Mexico that it is to most of Texas and a long way from the South.
Both my parents were born in Oklahoma and are Okies who later moved to Arkansas and then California. My grandfather on my Mother's side was born in Texas so I have come back to my roots. I have cousins who were born on the Cherokee Reservation in Oklahoma who get BIA money. How am I a "Yankee"?
03Panther said:In reply to spitfirebill :
Despite the gratuitous language, I agree. Much prefer a molasses based sauce. When good pulled pork is actually pulled, and not chopped pretending to be pulled, it really doesn’t need but a tiny amount, either.
I only used that language because I knew the filter would catch it. I used to travel the coastal part of NC and could never get used to a vinegar based sauce. Those people will also chop the dickens out of the Q. I love pulled pork.
In reply to 03Panther :
With all due respect, you have never lived in the South as a Yankee. And you are perpetuating the "Bless your heart" kind of thinking by blaming an ENTIRE culture (actually many, many cultures that happen to live north of the Mason Dixon line) for "typical" Yankee "bad" attitudes (while starting the sentence with "With all due respect"). Nope. That's not respectful.
The North is a melting pot. It's not a monolith. Everyone doesn't fit into your same tiny stereotype. Please try to view us as equal contributing partners in this great nation, rather than those nasty people with bad attitudes.
There was never a reason to bring it up in the first place. It was really unnecessary.
I live in the South, and I love it here. It's my home.
In reply to Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) :
When I lived in the Dominican Republic, they called all Americans Yankees. (Although it was pronounced "Janky" with a heavy Spanish accent).
It was a riot. They had no idea how much that infuriated some of my friends from the South! 
I had a friend here in Florida that was born and raised in the middle of the state, he claimed everybody north of I-10 were yankees. He flew helicopters in the coast guard and hated when he had to be out of the state in general. Strange bird that one...
In reply to SVreX (Forum Supporter) :
Since its still going, I will point out again, that I am responding not starting. I made a joke with Curtis, who did not mind. Then a fella insulted everybody from VA (even though his history is biased). He did at least apologize. The you stated your singular experience as happening to all yankees in the south. I pointed out the falicy of that. I.E., if Yankees come to the south with attitudes, they usually (I never said ALL) don't get accepted. Those that don't come in with an attitude usually (again, not all) do get accepted. I'm not the one throwing narrow minded attitude around on here. But I really do think this thread should go back to the op.
Damn, I was just wondering what my best path to FL was. FWIW I'm a Yankee.
In reply to Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) :
From the small amount of history I know of, it started before the War of Northern Aggression - known as the Civil War, to the side that won - to differentiate the sides. Northerners were called Yanks (I don't know who started that, or why) and southerners started being known as Johnny Rebs. (origins obivous, there) By the War to End All Wars (WWI) all Americans were considered Yanks when they were overseas.
A lot of modern folks, that think they are literate, call me a yankee, cause I'm from VA... uh, look up Richmond, VA in a history book! They might be surprised. 
Mazdax605 said:Damn, I was just wondering what my best path to FL was. FWIW I'm a Yankee.
Yea, sorry. I didn't know a flippant comment to Curtis would derail your question!
FWIW, I never said all yankees were bad.
SVreX (Forum Supporter) said:In reply to 03Panther :
With all due respect, you have never lived in the South as a Yankee. And you are perpetuating the "Bless your heart" kind of thinking by blaming an ENTIRE culture (actually many, many cultures that happen to live north of the Mason Dixon line) for "typical" Yankee "bad" attitudes (while starting the sentence with "With all due respect"). Nope. That's not respectful.
The North is a melting pot. It's not a monolith. Everyone doesn't fit into your same tiny stereotype. Please try to view us as equal contributing partners in this great nation, rather than those nasty people with bad attitudes.
There was never a reason to bring it up in the first place. It was really unnecessary.
I'm not sure why you wrote any of that. I have not done or said any of that. You are welcome to e-mail me, to give the thread back to the op, but I really don't see why it would be needed?
And I believe you must have meant to type all of america is a melting pot. Even though you seem to think the south is all the same, and mistreats all northerners.
Caution, Buzz Killington is about to give a lecture.
FWIW, "yankee" was a derisive term used by Britons during the revolutionary war and it referred to all of the colonial, new-world population. Yankee Doodle Dandy was a song sung by British soldiers to mock colonials. "stuck a feather in his hat and called it macaroni" was a jab at how colonists often put feathers in their hat and Brits mocked it as colonials thinking it was stylish. If you think about it, Britain at the time (in their own minds anyway) were the pinnacle of class, sophistication, and style. Colonials were dirty, trashy farmers who wore burlap on purpose. In reality, colonials were simply dressing for survival in their profession.
To me, the term Yankee applies to all of us in the states. Not an accurate description of all of us, but the Brits in the late 1700s didn't make the distinction between north and south. That was something that happened during the civil war when the south seceded from the union. Since they left the union and became their own territory, they no longer considered themselves yankees... meaning: we all used to be yankees (Americans) but the south decided to separate, so they were no longer yankees. They called northerners yankees as a derogatory notion that they were left behind as the south moved on. Think of it like a person on their 20th birthday suddenly referring to their younger friends as "just a teenager" like it's a bad thing. Originally, the primary reference to a region being a yankee area was New England, which, at the time, included much of New York. The large population of Dutch immigrants in the north east at the time was the most likely etymology of the word. Much like Irish people used to be called Micks after the common Mc- prefix on some surnames, Dutch immigrants were often referred to as Jannekes, which is a diminutive of a common Dutch name, Jan (pronounced Yahn). Think of it like calling them "little johns." So Jannekes (Yahn-ah-kess) was a common nomenclature for people who lived in the north east. The colloquial derivative of that term became Yankee.
Having said that, I grew up in PA, but I have lived in CA, IN, LA, FL, ONT, TX, MT, Germany, and spent considerable time in WA, WV, VA, DE, MD, AL, QUE, NV, most of Europe, and parts of Central America. For the record, Yankee means something different to all of them, some of them have never heard the term, and others think Yankee means Baseball. Having been all over, it makes me realize how - yankee or not - we're all just humans.
And Wally... You are the poster child for GRM. I think that picture should replace the banner at the top of the page.
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