"Endgame" reviews...

Ashyukun (Robert) said:

edizzle89 said:

 

Ashyukun (Robert) said:Marvel & Ant Man and the Wasp are the only things between IW and Endgame, and the salient points you need to know for those can be gleaned from the internets. You'll miss a LOOOOT of subtle things and callbacks, but not enough to lessen the enjoyment of it overall I'd say.

 

I though Captain Marvel took place in the 90's? That's the only one of the 22 movies I haven't seen yet and didn't feel like I missed anything from Endgame by not seeing it.

Captain Marvel took place in the 90's, but came out between IW and Endgame- and both it and AM&TW contributed salient material to Endgame. It's mainly useful simply for the fact that it's Carol Danvers' introduction, so otherwise people could be left wondering who the heck she is and what she can potentially do without some research.

ah i thought you were refering to the movie's timeline's vs. actual release date, in that sense you are correct. The ending of Ant Man and The Wasp does fall into the MCU right at the end of Infinity Wars though and helps explain some stuff in Endgame.

I read a story about the most important character in all of the franchise- the mouse. If it hadn't triggered ant man coming back, he wouldn't have hooked up with the avengers, they couldn't have gone back in time, and thanos truly would have won. Mouse for president!

It was a rat.

Saw it today with work for "team building."  Eh.

I don’t really care for how overpowered Captain America is now.  In the comics he was acrobatic and strong but not absurd.  Now he’s going toe to toe with Thanos and both far stronger than he should be but far more durable.  His bones should have been powder from some of the shots he took in the climactic battle (to say nothing of his fall earlier, what was that 50’?)

Wow, that sucked! It was so bad that I considered leaving during the movie. Loooong battle scenes with absolutely nobody from the good-guys-side dying. But I was sitting right in the middle... 

It has all turned so childish. I never got into the comics, so the movies are pretty much all that Marvel is for me. Back when Stark created the suit, or Captain America still were human, the movies were cool. Now, it's just a bunch of wizards, magicians and gods running around, doing magic E36 M3. There is nothing left to relate to. Even the supposedly "normal humans" are so exaggerated that it becomes cartoonish.

At around the 2 hour mark, I was kinda hoping the bad guy thing would just destroy the universe and be done with it.

Watched it and while i liked it, i would rate it below Infinity War. The girl power scene was ridiculous, Thor would have been funny in small bits but they hammered that joke into the ground.

Overall i feel like the shouldnt have tried to jam so much of a sendoff for everyone in one movie....basically not make this movie as The-end-as-we-know-it for the Marvel universe

I thought the girl power scene was long overdue. Scarlett Witch is so berkeleying powerful that through all these movies we never got the chance to see it. They've been playing second fiddle to the boys forever. My favorite role in End Game has to go to Nebula she did amazing and became almost as interesting as the whole story itself. 

Hmm don't get me wrong.. the power of the women in the Marvel film universe is impressive. The showcasing of their capabilities was done well in many parts of Endgame. But the moment where they all seem to gather in one spot during the battle wasn't cool. I got emotional during the moment that the Scarlett Witch got a hold of Thanos and the moment Captain Marvel made it back for the fight. Those moments didn't seem forced and were good. Nebula was great throughout. I also loved that Pepper Potts was suited up and unquestionably joined the Avengers.

But a special "moment" where only women are in one spot seemed weird. 

I'm still waiting for a plausible explanation of how out of X million alternatives, even with all that random chaos, that was the only way they could win...

Well, the whole time travel thing to fix the problem the writer created for the characters is sort of like writing a story and boxing yourself in, then saying "and then I woke up."

You guys are way too into this thing for me to have any relevant conversation about it but here are my takeaways.

I laughed a lot. 

I got sad a could times. 

Pretty good movie.

I still wanna know where mjolnir is. Arguably cap left it somewhere, and it moved forward in time same as he did. I also want to know what happened when he gave back the soul stone. 

In reply to Advan046 :

It jarred me right out of the 3D IMAX immersion.

Dr. Hess said:

Well, the whole time travel thing to fix the problem the writer created for the characters is sort of like writing a story and boxing yourself in, then saying "and then I woke up."

“I dreamt we had a kid” 

-Tony Stark

Mndsm said:

I still wanna know where mjolnir is. Arguably cap left it somewhere, and it moved forward in time same as he did. I also want to know what happened when he gave back the soul stone. 

Exactly, if he put it back in time where it was taken then Natasha shouldn't be dead.  Right?  Could explain why she has her own movie in the works.

stroker said:

I'm still waiting for a plausible explanation of how out of X million alternatives, even with all that random chaos, that was the only way they could win...

The rat didn't press the right combo of buttons to bring Ant-Man back is the best guess.  That's the one moment that seems like it could've went any number of ways differently.

Mndsm said:

I still wanna know where mjolnir is. Arguably cap left it somewhere, and it moved forward in time same as he did. I also want to know what happened when he gave back the soul stone. 

He left it on Asgard with the Reality Stone, even though it doesn't matter if that Thor had it at that point or not because the timeline split. And yeah, bumping into your old pal Red Skull would've been fun.

minivan_racer said:

 

stroker said:

I'm still waiting for a plausible explanation of how out of X million alternatives, even with all that random chaos, that was the only way they could win...

The rat didn't press the right combo of buttons to bring Ant-Man back is the best guess.  That's the one moment that seems like it could've went any number of ways differently.

 

Mndsm said:

I still wanna know where mjolnir is. Arguably cap left it somewhere, and it moved forward in time same as he did. I also want to know what happened when he gave back the soul stone. 

He left it on Asgard with the Reality Stone, even though it doesn't matter if that Thor had it at that point or not because the timeline split. And yeah, bumping into your old pal Red Skull would've been fun.

Bumping into red skull is one thing. I was more about where is natasha. Gamera should still be dead because thanos destroyed the souls stone that cost him her life. Natasha was killed to get it the second time. I am no expert, but soul for a soul should go both ways. And since no one stays dead in the mcu (thor's line in regards to Loki- hes been dead before) it would indeed explain how shes getting a movie in 2020, that would theoretically be a part of phase 3. 

I thought it was a good end to the series, just in time as the franchise threatens to fly off into the weeds of full-blown comic book silliness. The "girl power" scene was the goofiest one in the movie, it was too cheoreographed and stood out like a cutscene in a videogame. It wouldn't have raised an eyebrow if they'd blended it into the battle scene around it.

Just saw it last night.  Still unpacking a lot of things.  Time travel stories will do that to you.

I'm not sure what I was expecting going into it, but what I got wasn't that.

I'll maybe come back with something more useful to add after I parse through it a little more.

Mndsm said:

minivan_racer said:

 

stroker said:

I'm still waiting for a plausible explanation of how out of X million alternatives, even with all that random chaos, that was the only way they could win...

The rat didn't press the right combo of buttons to bring Ant-Man back is the best guess.  That's the one moment that seems like it could've went any number of ways differently.

 

Mndsm said:

I still wanna know where mjolnir is. Arguably cap left it somewhere, and it moved forward in time same as he did. I also want to know what happened when he gave back the soul stone. 

He left it on Asgard with the Reality Stone, even though it doesn't matter if that Thor had it at that point or not because the timeline split. And yeah, bumping into your old pal Red Skull would've been fun.

Bumping into red skull is one thing. I was more about where is natasha. Gamera should still be dead because thanos destroyed the souls stone that cost him her life. Natasha was killed to get it the second time. I am no expert, but soul for a soul should go both ways. And since no one stays dead in the mcu (thor's line in regards to Loki- hes been dead before) it would indeed explain how shes getting a movie in 2020, that would theoretically be a part of phase 3. 

I think returning the Soul Stone would just mean dropping it back off where it came from- I don't think that there would be a return policy, just that it would again be where it would be difficult to get again and whoever wanted to get it next would have to make the same sacrifice the other two did to get it. 

The 'prime' timeline Gamora IS still dead- the Gamora in the battle at the end is the Gamora from the 'branch' timeline where Thanos came forward in time to try and get the completed gauntlet for his own purposes. Presumably she's still around after Stark's snap, but we don't know exactly what he was thinking when he made the 'wish'- if he wanted everyone who had come forward in time with Thanos gone, then she would be too- if he only wanted to eliminate Thanos and his allies, she'd have survived. And presumably she does, since the next GotG was rumored to focus on her.

Natasha is gone for good though unless they were to go back and 'grab' her from another timeline/alternate universe... I thought that her movie would more likely be a prequel about her time before Hawkeye rescued/recruited her.

In reply to Ashyukun (Robert) :

From a analytical perspective though, why do a prequel movie of a dead character into the next phase?

In reply to Mndsm :

I don't know- I never quite know what they're thinking. I could of course be completely wrong about that- these are comic book movies and pretty much nobody of any import actually stays dead, I just don't see how they can get her back without invalidating what happened previously.

Of course, from the new Far From Home trailer we know that they're playing with the Multiverse now, so that may be part of it...