ever wonder why i distrust the police these days?

Xceler8x wrote: I do wish I heard more about when police perform no knock raids and get it wrong...being punished for it. Seems if I heard that more often than "shooting was justified" then I'd feel like there was a lot more balance out there in regards to citizen v police interaction.

There is absolutely ZERO payoff to either politicians or the media unless somebody is outraged, so that will never get reported, even if it does happen.

Note that I'm not saying that appropriate disciplinary action always happens. Cops get away with crap that they shouldn't, there is no question of that. But when they don't get away with it, you are guaranteed there will be media silence about the outcome.

Joe Gearin wrote: That said--- I'll continue to treat them with respect, as I empathize with how hard it must be for the "good" ones--- and they are out there, but in my experience they are the rare ones. I continue to hope that I'll be disproved on this.

If the good ones would stop protecting the bad ones........

Xceler8x wrote: ....I do wish I heard more about when police perform no knock raids and get it wrong...being punished for it. Seems if I heard that more often than "shooting was justified" then I'd feel like there was a lot more balance out there in regards to citizen v police interaction.

Here's one that just came up:

Man Who Shot at Cops During No-Knock Raid Acquitted on All Charges

In reply to novaderrik:

You shouldn't have been out past curfew.......I did my fair share of stupid bullE36 M3 when I was a minor, police sometimes involved, and I don't harbor the same sentiment. Heck, the towns in the area knew me by my first name(nobody knew that until I started using it) Sure, I recieved a break here and there, but knowing myself back then, a non-binding threat definitely helped straighten my ways.

I think this is more a you issue(as it seems there is a grudge) than an actual problem.

yamaha wrote: In reply to novaderrik: You shouldn't have been out past curfew.......I did my fair share of stupid bullE36 M3 when I was a minor, police sometimes involved, and I don't harbor the same sentiment. Heck, the towns in the area knew me by my first name(nobody knew that until I started using it) Sure, I recieved a break here and there, but knowing myself back then, a non-binding threat definitely helped straighten my ways. I think this is more a you issue(as it seems there is a grudge) than an actual problem.

my only grudge is that at least half of the cops that i've ever met are crooked and go after the wrong people. regarding being out after curfew: i actually wasn't... curfew was 11pm on friday and saturday nights, it was 10:30. that drunk guy literally bounced off the cop that was harassing us, almost fell down trying to get into his car, then almost hit the car parked in front of his when he was pulling out... i asked mr cop if he was going to do anything about it, and he just told me to not worry about it... he wasn't impressed when i said that the blood was on his hands if that guy killed someone.

Dr. Hess wrote: And one of them shoots a family dog every 98 seconds. Read an article last week where the dog, quite a distance away, growled at the stranger PoPo, who pulled his gun and shot at the dog, missing. The dog ran away and the PoPo kept shooting until he killed it.

my cousin did that, but the dog was attacking a woman/child. dog belonged to my dad's buddy. dad did not tell him that the cop was his nephew.

my other cousin is in trouble for deriliction of duty because people under his command were involved in the "cleveland cops pumped 130 bullets into 2 criminals after they fled and led them on a huge chase" episode, because they would not listen to him telling them to break the chase off, and because the city did not send out stop strips or a chopper to end it relatively safely.

I generally try to stay out of these but why not.

I had an interesting run in with one of those guys while doing physical therapy.

I asked if he played rugby after seeing the local teams emblem on his hat. He responded no he's too poor of a sport and would carry some of that off the field. He then proceeds to tell me that he was hurt trying out for the local SWAT team... That sort of attitude bothers me knowing that he's in a position where you need to (or should) have restraint.

Also anytime a LEO uses the term "civilians." No. You're not military, you're not in a warzone, and you are a public servant sworn to protect and serve. It makes me squirt blood from my eyes.

The0retical wrote: Also anytime a LEO uses the term "civilians." No. You're not military, you're not in a warzone, and you are a public servant sworn to protect and serve. It makes me squirt blood from my eyes.

I just remind them that they're civilians as well.

You know who it really annoys when you do that? The berkeleying mall ninjas who take their job way too damn seriously.