My chem teacher had us making black powder and packing it in heavy card board tubes then lighting them off behind the school.
My chem teacher had us making black powder and packing it in heavy card board tubes then lighting them off behind the school.
Personally, I think a severe lecture and detention is enough for this case. Why ruin a good students record and possibly life. Wasn't the experiment run through the teacher? When I was in school, all of our experiments had to be approved by the teacher just to get the supplies to do the experiment.
When I was in high school, if we had a good week in chem, the "Friday experiment" conducted by the teacher involved some sort of explosion. We pretty much all knew our experiments weren't supposed to go bang. If/when they did, we were looking at detention and probably a lunch hour or two cleaning up the chem lab. Expulsion and felony criminal charges seems unnecessarily harsh, but that's how it goes when the powers that be decide to draw an inflexible "line in the sand".
See also, this: http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/eagle-scout-facing-expulsion-over-gun-charge.html
JoeyM wrote: ...All of which were done FOR A CLASS, not berkeleying around in the parking lot saying, "Hey ya'll, watch this."
But... even if it was berkeleying around in a parking lot... tin foil and cleaner are not controlled substances. Mixing the two isn't illegal. There is no indication she knew what would happen even though she probably did have some idea (hence the "experiment" part). Adult weapons charges are completely off the scale of over-reaction.
yamaha wrote: And to think, I was in chem 1, 2, and AP after 9/11.......my final projects were gunpowder(the chordite kind, not black powder), Napalm, and finally for my AP course.......Thermite. There is still a hole through the 7" of asphalt at my high school with glass in the bottom of it from that one. Hell, a friend of mine actually distilled moonshine for one of his finals.....None of us were threatened with expulsion, suspension, detention, criminal charges, etc......WTF is this world coming to?
Can't have people knowing how simple explosives actually are to make.
We've gone far too deep down the rabit hole of modern society to eliminate everything that can be turned in to an explosive.
Around here the defintition of an explosive device has been made very lenient. I'm pretty sure my bowels qualify.
In reply to spitfirebill:
Especially on Indian food night...
spitfirebill wrote: Around here the defintition of an explosive device has been made very lenient. I'm pretty sure my bowels qualify.
I am tracked as a Colon class WMD. I've moved the doomsday clock a tick on wing night.
Lesson learned on most recent vacation: When your return flight is 5 hrs long, don't eat beans for breakfast, and lentils and stewed cabbage for lunch.
Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: There is no indication she knew what would happen even though she probably did have some idea
Pick a side and stick with it. 
I'd agree that the punishment was too severe. (A suspension would be fine, IMHO.) You can't however, do stuff like that at a school and expect them to not react if you don't get clearance/permission from the school authorities in advance.
BTW, any 16 year old can use youtube to see what happens. I don't believe that there was any "experiment"
All the crap I did when I was younger would land me in Gitmo in today's world.
In reply to EastCoastMojo:
Me too, I think we're ruining the lives of every interesting person born after 1990.
JoeyM wrote:Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: There is no indication she knew what would happen even though she probably did have some ideaPick a side and stick with it.
If I were a smart girl who just unexpectedly ended up in a world of E36 M3 for popping the cap off a jar with a little too much hydrogen in my "experiment" I'd be pretty coy about saying anything about what exactly I might have thought was going to happen when I put the two together.
As someone who has duct-taped a half stick of dynamite to a fuel jug as the grand finale to a series of "experiments" that didn't hurt anyone and amused the hell out a small crowd of inebriated racing car drivers in the infield at Summit Point, possibly on more than one occasion... I know who's side I'm on.
EastCoastMojo wrote: All the crap I did when I was younger would land me in Gitmo in today's world.
For real. Life before the war on fun was pretty sweet.
Zomby Woof wrote: Lesson learned on most recent vacation: When your return flight is 5 hrs long, don't eat beans for breakfast, and lentils and stewed cabbage for lunch.
However, it is the perfect meal if you are going to have a 5 hour car ride with your brother
Wisdom comes from experience. Experience is often a result of lack of wisdom.
I think you need to let kids do some stupid E36 M3 with near miss consequences so they don't grow up to be complete numbtards.
Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote:JoeyM wrote:If I were a smart girl who just unexpectedly ended up in a world of E36 M3 for popping the cap off a jar with a little too much hydrogen in my "experiment" I'd be pretty coy about saying anything about what exactly I might have thought was going to happen when I put the two together. As someone who has duct-taped a half stick of dynamite to a fuel jug as the grand finale to a series of "experiments" that didn't hurt anyone and amused the hell out a small crowd of inebriated racing car drivers in the infield at Summit Point, possibly on more than one occasion... I know who's side I'm on.Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: There is no indication she knew what would happen even though she probably did have some ideaPick a side and stick with it.
I would hate to have to face a jury for a lot of the stuff I may have done in high school, or college the few weeks I was there, or a couple of things I did last Tuesday.
Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote:JoeyM wrote:If I were a smart girl who just unexpectedly ended up in a world of E36 M3 for popping the cap off a jar with a little too much hydrogen in my "experiment" I'd be pretty coy about saying anything about what exactly I might have thought was going to happen when I put the two together. As someone who has duct-taped a half stick of dynamite to a fuel jug as the grand finale to a series of "experiments" that didn't hurt anyone and amused the hell out a small crowd of inebriated racing car drivers in the infield at Summit Point, possibly on more than one occasion... I know who's side I'm on.Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: There is no indication she knew what would happen even though she probably did have some ideaPick a side and stick with it.
Well there goes your claim you are on the "watch list" for no good reason. 
Just makes me wonder what she would know if her science teacher was actually teaching her things instead of busy calling the cops.
I'm adding this to my list of why science is bad for all of us.
people forget that the last part of the brain to mature is the part that makes you go "hmmm.. that might be a bad idea" kids do not really have the ability to step back and think through their actions before they do them. They are impulsive and prone to thinking "that will never happen to me." This is why we draft 18 year olds into the army during war.. because there is no way in hell a 35 year old would go
Little Miss MacGuyver will probably blow up the juvie hall and have a bunch of new "friends with connections" now.
Why do we bother with the "adult" distinction when children are so frequently tried as such? If children are not allowed the liberties of adulthood, why must they be held accountable for the responsibilities?
JoeyM wrote:yamaha wrote: And to think, I was in chem 1, 2, and AP after 9/11.......my final projects were gunpowder(the chordite kind, not black powder), Napalm, and finally for my AP course.......Thermite. [....] Hell, a friend of mine actually distilled moonshine for one of his finals........All of which were done FOR A CLASS, not berkeleying around in the parking lot saying, "Hey ya'll, watch this."
Heck, at 16, i probably would've fit the typical redneck stereotype and handed one of my buddies my beer before say in' "Hey ya'll, watch this" and causing a minor explosion at 7am in the HS parking lot. My HS had a pretty lenient alcohol policy. If you got caught you had to pour out whatever they could see and withstand a whithering "You shouldn't be drinking on school property." Drugs was a completely different story.
EastCoastMojo wrote: Little Miss MacGuyver will probably blow up the juvie hall and have a bunch of new "friends with connections" now.
I thought if one is charged as an adult then any incarceration is in an adult facility?
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