Perfect example of why there needs to be a stockcar road course series in NASCAR
Funny that the image is hosted on Red Bull's site. Red Bull, owner of 32 DNQ's in their first full season of NASCAR competition.
turbojunker wrote: Funny that the image is hosted on Red Bull's site. Red Bull, owner of 32 DNQ's in their first full season of NASCAR competition.
sour grapes, perhaps? they thought they could just roll into NASCAR and buy race wins and championships... the old Red Bull NASCAR team was bought by a group of people that includes owners of Burger King franchises and is now called BK racing.. they are generally only out there in a capacity as rolling chicanes.
regarding the pic in the OP: everything they point out as being a "win" for the F1 side is a "win" for the NASCAR side from where i'm sitting... also, i see they didn't put up the average price of a ticket to see a race..
Anti-stance wrote: Perfect example of why there needs to be a stockcar road course series in NASCAR
I would watch that kind of NASCAR..
mad_machine wrote:Anti-stance wrote: Perfect example of why there needs to be a stockcar road course series in NASCARI would watch that kind of NASCAR..
it happens twice a year at the Cup level, and 3 times at the Nationwide level.. the Nationwide series is replacing the Montreal track with Mid Ohio this year..
a few years back, NASCAR was getting hounded about maybe running on the infield road course at Daytona for the summer race in the Cup series.. their excuse was that it takes too long to reconfigure it from the oval to the road course and that the support races are all run on the oval.. then last year (i think) the Grand Am series ran a road course race that same weekend as a support series- with the race wedged in between the Cup and Nationwide practice or qualifying sessions on the oval..
personally, i think they need more road courses and maybe a 12 hour endurance race or something like that... there is a rumor that the trucks will be running on a dirt track this year, which is also kinda cool..
They forgot to mention that there is more passing in 1 lap of a NASCAR Race then there is in the entire F1 race!
I hardly watch either series anymore.
NGTD wrote: They forgot to mention that there is more passing in 1 lap of a NASCAR Race then there is in the entire F1 race! I hardly watch either series anymore.
The fact that you say you don't watch either series is obvious from your previous statement. F1 has had an unbelievable number of different winners, and an awful lot of passing. This last race #21 ended up #2 in the race. He didn't get there by not passing.
V8 SuperCar and BTCC/DTM.
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turboswede wrote: V8 SuperCar and BTCC/DTM. /thread
i know that it's fashionable to throw the V8 Supercars into any conversation about NASCAR to show how "real" racing is done, but honestly i've tried to watch it and found it to be ok, but not great. it's just a bunch of guys with Australian accents crashing around road courses in cars that i can't tell apart because you can't see the numbers on tv instead of a bunch of guys with southern accents bashing into each other in circle tracks in cars that are at least painted different colors and have numbers you can read.
i don't "hate" it, but i don't really "like" it, either.. it's just something that i can't get into. kinda like open wheel racing in general and F1 specifically. it's just not my thing.
I like how it mentions damage. One is fixed with duct tape. The other is fixed with a spectacular crash and a DNF.
Appleseed wrote: I like how it mentions damage. One is fixed with duct tape. The other is fixed with a spectacular crash and a DNF.
as well as CF debris
NASCAR vs Formula One = Cowboys vs Aliens
novaderrik wrote:mad_machine wrote:it happens twice a year at the Cup level, and 3 times at the Nationwide level.. the Nationwide series is replacing the Montreal track with Mid Ohio this year.. a few years back, NASCAR was getting hounded about maybe running on the infield road course at Daytona for the summer race in the Cup series.. their excuse was that it takes too long to reconfigure it from the oval to the road course and that the support races are all run on the oval.. then last year (i think) the Grand Am series ran a road course race that same weekend as a support series- with the race wedged in between the Cup and Nationwide practice or qualifying sessions on the oval.. personally, i think they need more road courses and maybe a 12 hour endurance race or something like that... there is a rumor that the trucks will be running on a dirt track this year, which is also kinda cool..Anti-stance wrote: Perfect example of why there needs to be a stockcar road course series in NASCARI would watch that kind of NASCAR..
in my childhood, what is now Sprint Cup used to run on dirt many times each year
carguy123 wrote:NGTD wrote: They forgot to mention that there is more passing in 1 lap of a NASCAR Race then there is in the entire F1 race! I hardly watch either series anymore.The fact that you say you don't watch either series is obvious from your previous statement. F1 has had an unbelievable number of different winners, and an awful lot of passing. This last race #21 ended up #2 in the race. He didn't get there by not passing.
granted much of Q21's passing was done with pit strategy, and he did have a FAR superior car than the back half of the field, he did make many passes of somewhat equal cars ... on the track
and the line about more passes in one lap of NASCAR than an entire F1 race is pretty much a function of the plate races ... and with regards to that ... the saying used to be that there was more passing in one lap of NASCAR than an entire SEASON of F1 ... with the open diffuser that's not the case anymore
Yeah NASCAR ovals are too boring, I could watch the road courses.
novaderrik wrote:turboswede wrote: V8 SuperCar and BTCC/DTM. /threadi know that it's fashionable to throw the V8 Supercars into any conversation about NASCAR to show how "real" racing is done, but honestly i've tried to watch it and found it to be ok, but not great. it's just a bunch of guys with Australian accents crashing around road courses in cars that i can't tell apart because you can't see the numbers on tv instead of a bunch of guys with southern accents bashing into each other in circle tracks in cars that are at least painted different colors and have numbers you can read. i don't "hate" it, but i don't really "like" it, either.. it's just something that i can't get into. kinda like open wheel racing in general and F1 specifically. it's just not my thing.
Go watch Bathurst and tell me that you still think that.
NASCAR = boring and irrelevant
F1 = boring and irrelevant
They're the same in my book, no matter who makes or spends the money.
Nascar trucks on Eldora dirt in 2013
http://nascar.speedtv.com/article/trucks-report-series-on-dirt-next-year-naswcar-camping-world/
sorry if repost
Anti-stance wrote: Also, as far as pitstops, When there a 37 people in the pit stall literally sitting waiting on a car and not using floor jacks and drop cans for fuel, its not hard to cut time down.
F1 pitstops are very, very hard to get right. Just ask Lewis Hamilton, he lost significant amounts of points earlier this year due to McLaren's inability to match RedBull & Ferrari in pit stop times.
Compared to NASCAR, the larger staff, single wheel-nut, lack of refueling, etc make it possible to get significantly lower times, but they definitely do not make it easy.
The graphic is clearly written by someone who's trying to promote the race in Austin this weekend, and is slanted towards the F1 view. It's kind of bizarre that they'd still list 7 second F1 pit stop times, though, that hasn't been true since they banned refueling in 2010.
F1 pitstops are mind-boggling. A 4 second stop is considered slow.
I've got a lot more respect for NASCAR technology than some people. Those engines are very, very highly developed. Sure, they only just went to EFI but that doesn't change the fact that a lot of smart people have worked a lot of hours trying to eke out just one or two more horsepower.
David S. Wallens wrote:Keith Tanner wrote: Although how do you have a team that runs on $6.5 million a year when your driver makes more than $20 million?Product endorsements. I'm thinking that Junior doesn't do all of those Wrangler, Nationwide and whatever else commercials for free.
it was once said that Earnhardt (sr) made as much on novelty sales as he did racing.
Keith Tanner wrote: F1 pitstops are mind-boggling. A 4 second stop is considered slow. I've got a lot more respect for NASCAR technology than some people. Those engines are very, very highly developed. Sure, they only just went to EFI but that doesn't change the fact that a lot of smart people have worked a lot of hours trying to eke out just one or two more horsepower.
not only are the cars highly refined, but so is the pit crew...
the sheer athleticism that is required for a tire changer to take off 5 lug nuts, remove the old (75 pound) wheel and tire, put the new (75 pound) wheel in place, tighten down 5 lug nuts, then run around to the other side of the car and do it all again in under 13 seconds is just amazing.. and the jack man has to run around the car carrying the jack- and sometimes do wedge or track bar (all y'all fancy pants people call it a panhard bar) adjustments while all this is going on. then there is the gas man that can dump 2 full cans of fuel into the car while this is going on without getting in anybody's way- and sometimes doing a wedge adjustment.. and they do this out exposed to 3400 pound cars that are also trying to get into and out of their pit stalls as fast as they can..
F1 pit stops are just boring in comparison.
there is a reason that NASCAR pit crews are full of ex football players that weren't quite good enough to make it into the pros and the best crews train as hard as they ever did when they played football.
I agree with Keith. I'm sure people here are tired of me saying it, but I crewed in NASCAR, and these are not nearly as low tech as people make them out. They spend enormous amounts of time in the wind tunnel and shaker rigs, just like F1. And the pit crews are just as good. They have a totally different set of rules to play by though, and the pieces are bigger and heavier.
And I'm for sure gonna get a lot of flak for this, but it's much harder to set up a car for an oval. In F1, most of the hard work is done by the designers back at the factory, on an oval, the hard work is done by the driver and engineers at the track. For sure given a chance, I'd rather put my butt in a Red Bull, but to claim NASCAR is low tech is simply not true.
As for the money, a few million may get you in the door, but only far enough to hear the crowd from the corner. If you want to be competitive, i would think 20 million plus is a more reasonable figure. The cars themselves may not be all that expensive, but you need many of them to make it through the year. It's not as bad as before the COT, but I would think a small team may need 6 or so. Then you have personnel, facilities, development, travel, support vehicles, etc., etc.
Australian V8 Supercars.
Wait what was the topic?
In reply to racerdave600:
Nope, I don't get tired of hearing you say it, I think its badass that you crewed in NASCAR. I have only crewed for an enduro with a few Grand Am drivers and in Trans Am.
The tires are not 75#, we use the same Goodyears on the Trans Am cars. I think the wheel/tires on my Camry weigh more. 
Anywho, I am not saying its not impressive that they are doing 3 second pitstops in F1, but objectively look at what each individual does in a F1 pitstop and a NASCAR pitstop. It is way more athletic in NASCAR. I have have my fair amount of tire change pitstops as a jackman. I laugh when I hear F1 fanboys talk about how much faster their pitstops are.
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