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NickD
NickD MegaDork
2/28/25 1:04 p.m.

When the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania was being established the late '60s, there was some serious lobbying to locate the museum at the Northumberland roundhouse. Penn Central wasn't using the roundhouse for regular operation and the place was basically a time warp; in addition to the roundhouse, turntable and yard, there were still-extant water tanks and coaling tower, auxillary buildings, etc. Ultimately the decision was made to construct new facilities next to the resurgent Strasburg Railroad, which was already leasing PRR D16sb 4-4-0 #1223. There was also some thoughts about the feasibility of relocating Steamtown USA to the site at one point during the "We've got to get out of Vermont" phase. Pennsy fanatic Don Ball Jr. was likely quite aware of the possibilities of the Northumberland site during his tenure as director, when he oversaw the .

Unfortunately, there were some serious issues wth the site:

First, the roundhouse, and the yard by which it was surrounded, were in a flood plain. It's one that takes a bit of doing to flood, but it has definitely happened in the past. There are said to be photos of the turntable pit being pumped out post-flooding.

Second, the roundhouse, at the time, was surrounded by active railroad trackage and yards. The nearest road access is via approximately 1.5 miles or more of private road through a railroad yard. If this museum had been opened here in the 1970s, it would have mandated its own access road and overpasses, infrastructure costs that might have dwarfed even those of restoring a decrepit roundhouse or those of the Steamtown NHS.

Third, Northumberland itself was very badly situated and equipped for auto traffic and tourist demands.

And for what? You still don't have a track on which to operate, since PC and Conrail were still using those rails, and while it's no terribly busy today, NS still uses the yard as a switching yard for local traffic and interchange with the "Robey Family" cluster of short lines in the area. Sadly, the roundhouse, turntable, coaling tower and other legacy structures were all yanked down by Conrail in 1986.

However, the damning problem is the same: You could put the current RR Museum of Pennsylvania beside that former roundhouse, and operate in a portion of the yard Spencer-style, and it still would only attract meager visitorship on the same level as Steamtown, nowhere near the levels of the current Strasburg location. And if Steamtown had gone there, any hopes or chances of excursions would be pretty much dead and buried. 

NickD
NickD MegaDork
2/28/25 4:24 p.m.

Kind of an interesting detail is that when Strasburg Rail Road leased PRR D16sb 4-4-0 #1223 in 1960 for restoration to operation, the Railroad Museum of PA didn't exist yet. So, they actually leased the engine from the Pennsylvania Rail Road. 

They continued to use the #1223 until October 26, 1989, and so the engine was leased from Penn Central from 1968 to 1979. In 1979, as the Penn Central's assets were being sold off (3 years after Conrail's formation, mind you), the #1223, along with all the remaining steam locomotives stored at Northumberland, were donated by Penn Central to the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania. The other PRR steam locomotives had similarly been loaned by PRR and PC to the museum, and then were officially donated in 1979. Strasburg then continued to lease the #1223 from the museum for another 10 years, as well as leasing 4-4-2 "#7002" from 1983 to 1989.  Ultrasound testing then revealed that the firebox walls of both #1223 and #7002 were not thick enough to comply with the updated Federal Railroad Administration regulations, thus deeming the engines unsafe for operation, and the museum withdrew the lease, since they did not want to replace the original PRR fireboxes with new pieces.

So, if anyone ever asks, did Penn Central own any steam locomotives, yes, quite a few, and one of them even operated.

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