One of my fondest childhood memories is a gingham-checked paper basket of brisket from The Sultan in San Francisco...
Being a lifelong West-coaster, I will admit my cluelessness about the regional variations and what is or isn't proper BBQ.
All I know is that this brisket, bathed in a tangy and somewhat sweet sauce made an impression on me that's been with me for over three decades...
Political threads, and threads about political threads make me hungry. 
Jerry From LA wrote: For anyone who feels it necessary to spew forth, go to Fox or MSNBC and have at it. They have bazillions of sponsors and gazillions of dollars. A few more extremist or racist statements won't hurt them at all.
Fox and MSNBC cater to extremists on the Right and the Left. That IS their market. They don't just allow the spew, they create it. Their advertisers are catering to extremists. There is a lot of money in pundits selling books and videos to true believers on the right and the left. This is also why are congress can't seem to compromise and accomplish anything. But the pundits don't really care what happens to this country as long as their talk radio and cable news shows keep getting ratings, their books keep selling and the whole bloody circus keeps making money.
ransom wrote: One of my fondest childhood memories is a gingham-checked paper basket of brisket from The Sultan in San Francisco... Being a lifelong West-coaster, I will admit my cluelessness about the regional variations and what is or isn't proper BBQ. All I know is that this brisket, bathed in a tangy and somewhat sweet sauce made an impression on me that's been with me for over three decades...
I remember It's It ice cream sandwiches and sourdough bread when I lived on the West Coast. I don't remember California BBQ.
Bork, Bork, Bork!!!
In reply to ransom:
Someone correct me if I am wrong here, but there is a division in the sauces and the meats. There are 3 big players:
Carolinas - Pork, usually with a vinegar/mustard sauce
Kansas City - Pork and Beef, usually with tomato based thick and sweet
Texas - All about the Beef, usually a thin and spicy/little sweet tomato sauce
Important distinction to Carolina style is that it's usually whole hog, not just cuts, so you get a wide variation of porky goodness. And the vinegar vs. mustard debate is an East vs. West Carolina issue.
And don't forget Memphis style, with its emphasis on dry rubs.
The best barbeque comes from the used fedex truck that hauls a smoker behind it, that usually Parks down the street at the corner gas station. Smoker gets fired up promptly at 4 am, brisket is ready by noon. Homemade mustard based tangy sweet sauce, some slaw, a sweet roll, and lemonade. Spicy grippos chips on the side...best $5 you'll ever spend.
Beef brisket > pulled pork.
Yeah, I said it. 
RealMiniDriver wrote: Pork Steak > Beef brisket > pulled pork. Yeah, I said it.
FTFY
Snowdoggie wrote:Jerry From LA wrote: For anyone who feels it necessary to spew forth, go to Fox or MSNBC and have at it. They have bazillions of sponsors and gazillions of dollars. A few more extremist or racist statements won't hurt them at all.Fox and MSNBC cater to extremists on the Right and the Left. That IS their market. They don't just allow the spew, they create it. Their advertisers are catering to extremists. There is a lot of money in pundits selling books and videos to true believers on the right and the left. This is also why are congress can't seem to compromise and accomplish anything. But the pundits don't really care what happens to this country as long as their talk radio and cable news shows keep getting ratings, their books keep selling and the whole bloody circus keeps making money.
Which is why one can go and spew there. For really good west coast pulled pork barbecue, pull into Charlie Brown Farms on Rte 138 in Littlerock, CA. It's the place with the dinosaurs in the front.
Snowdoggie wrote: I remember It's It ice cream sandwiches and sourdough bread when I lived on the West Coast. I don't remember California BBQ.
I figure the Sultan was a transplant from somewhere more BBQ-centric...
It's-Its! Man, I hadn't seen those in forever, but went back to S.F. a few weeks ago and saw then in the freezer at some corner store... Kicked myself later for not grabbing one... Not that they're the best thing in the world, but another childhood treat.
carguy123 wrote: How wrong you are. Texas BBQ isn't that dessert BBQ sauce so many are fond of. It has a little sweetness and then pounds of awesome flavor. And vinegar base BBQ sauce is just wrong on so many levels. I grew up with vinegar based sauces and hated it. I didn't think I even liked BBQ at all till this one time down in Fla............ Then I moved to Texas and decided I loved it.
This ain't Kansas City, take your sweet talk (see what I did there) somewhere else. Memphis style is light on sauce in general but when it does get used it's a tomato based sauce not molasses like KC or vinegar like NC.
Anti-stance wrote: Someone correct me if I am wrong here, but there is a division in the sauces and the meats. There are 3 big players: Carolinas - Pork, usually with a vinegar/mustard sauce Kansas City - Pork and Beef, usually with molasses based thick and sweet Texas - All about the Beef, usually a thin and spicy/little sweet tomato sauce Memphis/TN - pork, mainly ribs but also pulled pork shoulder. Ribs dry or muddy, pulled pork with a tomato based sauce that is more tangy than sweet and spicy
FTFY
Yeah, y'all KC types keep that sweet stuff for cake icing. Said it before, say it again: there ain't no place for cake frosting on pork.
Oh, wait: could that be considered a watergating? 
moparman76_69 wrote:Anti-stance wrote: Someone correct me if I am wrong here, but there is a division in the sauces and the meats. There are 3 big players: Carolinas - Pork, usually with a vinegar/mustard sauce Kansas City - Pork and Beef, usually with molasses based thick and sweet Texas - All about the Beef, usually a thin and spicy/little sweet tomato sauce Memphis/TN - pork, mainly ribs but also pulled pork shoulder. Ribs dry or muddy, pulled pork with a tomato based sauce that is more tangy than sweet and spicyFTFY
I knew I was missing one, I was thinking it was either Kentucky or Tennessee.
RealMiniDriver wrote: Beef brisket > pulled pork. Yeah, I said it.
I am from Texas and grew up eating beef brisket BBQ, but I LOVE pulled pork now. I like all kinds of BBQ sauce.
dculberson wrote:RealMiniDriver wrote:An argument isn't just contradiction.93EXCivic wrote: I came in here for an argument.No you didn't.
It is too!!!!!
RealMiniDriver wrote: Beef brisket > pulled pork. Yeah, I said it.
This is how we know you are a communist.
Why can't we all just get along? There are lots of good BBQ styles that manage to have distinct character while not belittling or impugning upon the other BBQ styles.
Except Kansas City, those sweet sauces can just get themselves back where they came from and stop trying to put inferior meals into the mouths of hard working Americans.
DILYSI Dave wrote:RealMiniDriver wrote: Beef brisket > pulled pork. Yeah, I said it.This is how we know you are a communist.
I sincerely hope you're not basing your opinion of brisket on that chewy hunk of garbage Gheyward cooked at the NYE party a few years ago.
Decent brisket > The world's awesomest pulled pork.
What the berkeley kind of BBQ serves only one variety of meat? Cook it all.
Bork, Bork, Booo... mmm Pork, Pork, Pork.
Beer Baron wrote: What the berkeley kind of BBQ serves only one variety of meat? Cook it all.
This.
Brisket is good. Better than a properly done pork shoulder? I beg to differ. My wife prefers brisket though.
As an aside, I discovered that some places in Indiana serve pulled pork swimming in sauce like the tub of stuff you get from the heat and eat section at the grocery store. It is some pretty bad stuff.
Correctly done pulled pork
yum give me the burnt outside part please.
Incorrectly done pulled pork
Serious do not want.
I have a political thread suggestion (and I am serious) :
Create a Political forum with "approval" access rights, let's call it "the box" for this conversation. Everyone gets in at first. If you go political outside of "the box" you will be directed to "the box". If you are a tool about it you lose access to the box. Once revoked you can not get back in, one more strike you get the banhammer.
I can't believe I just read this whole thread.
I didn't come in here for an argument (see, someone else got it!) politics is rather boring so it's not often I comment. My point of view is so odd, it doesn't make sense to anyone but me anyhow.
Can't stand Hardee's. Last time I ate there (years ago) I couldn't tell if I was eating the fry's or the box they came in.
MMMMmmmm BBQ. Disappointed I'm missing it at the Challenge.
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