aircooled wrote: I wonder if he could be classified as a "Enemy Combatant", and all that that entails. The precedent that that would set might be a bit scary.
Supposedly not. I heard on NBC, which means it is true, that the govt had previously determined that all terrorists were to be tried in the civilian court system and could not be determined to be an enemy combatant.
Yes, it costs millions of dollars in legal fees to execute someone.
I'm okay with this. Even the lowest of the lowest scum of the earth should get every possible defense available to them, because without that there is no legitimacy to a conviction.
Knurled wrote: Yes, it costs millions of dollars in legal fees to execute someone. I'm okay with this. Even the lowest of the lowest scum of the earth should get every possible defense available to them, because without that there is no legitimacy to a conviction.
OK, you just link them your bank account so they'll stay out of mine.
Oh wait! I'm betting you don't mean you're willing to spend the money, you want them to use other people's money.
One official stated that it was the cooperation between civilian and law enforcement that was a major factor in identifying the bombers.
Mmadness wrote: On an off-topic note, the Boston police did ask the Dunkin Donuts to remain open, I'm not joking.
As my hubby mentioned, I work at one in Belmont, right next to Watertown. We had police officers come and go while we were open and was thanked for being open when the entire town was on shut down.
carguy123 wrote:Knurled wrote: Yes, it costs millions of dollars in legal fees to execute someone. I'm okay with this. Even the lowest of the lowest scum of the earth should get every possible defense available to them, because without that there is no legitimacy to a conviction.OK, you just link them your bank account so they'll stay out of mine. Oh wait! I'm betting you don't mean you're willing to spend the money, you want them to use other people's money.
Nice flounder.. I'll play along. Why not?
You're okay with them executing innocent people? Because that has definitely happened already, one case in Texas at least, and several more suspected innocent executions fairly recently. One innocent executed is worse than a thousand guilty people spending the rest of their lives in jail.
Oh wait! You mean it's okay for them to kill innocent people that aren't you.
AsianFemaleDriver wrote:Mmadness wrote: On an off-topic note, the Boston police did ask the Dunkin Donuts to remain open, I'm not joking.As my hubby mentioned, I work at one in Belmont, right next to Watertown. We had police officers come and go while we were open and was thanked for being open when the entire town was on shut down.
This is awesome.
You're okay with them executing innocent people? Because that has definitely happened already, one case in Texas at least, and several more suspected innocent executions fairly recently. One innocent executed is worse than a thousand guilty people spending the rest of their lives in jail. Oh wait! You mean it's okay for them to kill innocent people that aren't you.
Nice, agreed. I'm going to sound like a terrorist sympathizer, but ME or YOU or probably ANYONE on this board has not seen evidence that without a doubt means that these two kids were guilty of the crime that THEY HAVE ALREADY BEEN CONVICTED OF BY THE MEDIA.
It's almost like the police don't need trials anymore. It's not their job to dish out the justice, it's there job to bring them to justice.
dculberson wrote: You're okay with them executing innocent people? Because that has definitely happened already, one case in Texas at least, and several more suspected innocent executions fairly recently. One innocent executed is worse than a thousand guilty people spending the rest of their lives in jail.
I am going to avoid this flounder except to say that I disagree with the statement from a purely statistical perspective. 1 isn't so bad. As a nation we don't seem to have any problem executing thousands of innocents, ie: the drone program.
Many in this thread have already convicted this guy without a trial. What's the difference?
Yes, I am playing the unpopular side of the fence for a moment.
AttoirRE wrote: It's almost like the police don't need trials anymore. It's not their job to dish out the justice, it's there job to *bring* them to justice.
That is their job. The attorneys are the ones who take it beyond that.
Here is a story that I would like to hear...
As mentioned in the previous thread, there were 4Chan photos of various people w/ backpacks the day of the event (likely very normal to have a backpack that day.)
Lets take one of these people like this guy:
I would really like to hear his first person account of what his past week has been like. Was he questioned? I would like to know more about if and how long he was detained. I am curious about what he knows about them background checking him and what he does not. How much of his daily emails do you think have been read?
Due process has a price, literally and figuratively, and it's what separates us from countries like China and Iran.
JeffHarbert wrote: Due process has a price, literally and figuratively, and it's what separates us from countries like China and Iran.
That is true, and it is a price I am prepared to pay.
But the expectation of a legal and penal system without flaw is too high a standard to effectively enable the system to function as a whole for all of us.
I can't help but think this played out a little too much like the Bruins beating the crud out of the Panthers. Not to take anything away from the LEO on the job, but these guys hardly seemed all that intelligent in the way this went down. Certainly nothing nearly as coordinated as other terrorist acts that have occurred in the past. I mean seriously they didn't even have an escape plan. Their car was at the body shop! Just glad few died, and the injured were saved/cared for by some pretty great first responders, etc.
^ I agree. ^
In this case, the police did not mete out justice. If that were the case then the second suspect would never have left that boat alive.
Given that they were:
1) observed on video planting the devices,
2) indiscriminately killed 3 people and wounded many more,
3) attacked police officers including killing an MIT officer,
4) the second one continued to resist even though he was definitely cornered,
I'd say the police acted with remarkable restraint. I'd also hardly call that being tried in the media. Regular readers of my drivel will recognize that in no way am I a fan of our so called news agencies but in this case I will let them off the hook. Well, except for the sensationalism.
Yeah, generally speaking, images of SWAT teams and guys in fatigues armed to the teeth marching down the street and knocking on doors make me nervous, but in an instance like this, I was happy to see it. IMHO, the IQ of the "suspects" is irrelevant. Law enforcement did a kickass job apprehending/killing these E36 M3 stains, and every one of them risked their lives in doing so.
So again, Kudos. Nice work, team.
I have not been following the story much at all. The last 7 days I have been on vacation with no TV running anywhere close. I hope the evidence turns out to be stronger than the case brought against the olympic bomber in Atlanta in '96. I seem to remember that being a little thin.
SVreX wrote: I am going to avoid this flounder except to say that I disagree with the statement from a purely statistical perspective. 1 isn't so bad. As a nation we don't seem to have any problem executing thousands of innocents, ie: the drone program.
Would you say the same if it was your sister or brother?
SVreX wrote: Many in this thread have already convicted this guy without a trial. What's the difference?
You mean besides the fact that their opinions and postings don't have the force of law or the threat of the death penalty behind them? Because to me that's a pretty big difference. All the difference in the world, really.
The government killing one of its citizens is a huge thing to me. It being easier for the government to do so is the last thing I would like to see happen.
In reply to dculberson:
I would happily kill him so the government can keep it's hands clean of it.
Their mom says the FBI set them up and they were innocent.
That doesn't take into effect of them shooting a security guard and a shoot out with the police an throwing explosive devices.
But like all moms, johny didn't do it
I'd kill his berkeleying mom too just for giving birth to those mother berkeleyers.
Looks like a few of their buddies got picked up too: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-04-20/terrorista1
and here's their car (Beemer)
vwcorvette wrote: I can't help but think this played out a little too much like the Bruins beating the crud out of the Panthers. Not to take anything away from the LEO on the job, but these guys hardly seemed all that intelligent in the way this went down. Certainly nothing nearly as coordinated as other terrorist acts that have occurred in the past. I mean seriously they didn't even have an escape plan. Their car was at the body shop! Just glad few died, and the injured were saved/cared for by some pretty great first responders, etc.
Agreed. I don't see these two being tied to something that big. They didn't have an escape plan and no bigger group claimed responsibility. I think this was some angry youngsters who wanted to do something for the cause but didn't have the larger resources.
Type Q wrote: I have not been following the story much at all. The last 7 days I have been on vacation with no TV running anywhere close. I hope the evidence turns out to be stronger than the case brought against the olympic bomber in Atlanta in '96. I seem to remember that being a little thin.
You know they caught the wrong guy at first, right? Ruined dude's life.
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