Seems air travel has devolved to what bus travel was in the 70s/80s. I imagine this blows over quickly. The next round of shoppers for travel will go to kayak, pick the cheapest flight regardless of carrier. Business folks just call their corporate travel people who tell them what carrier. Now everyone may expect just a little less.
BTW Be excellent to each other in our threads
In reply to Stefan:
Unfortunately, that's life. If service won over price, there would be a airline that was stomping everyone with service. But there isn't. All we have is a race to the bottom. Who can do it cheapest and not piss of too many people.
Here's a good one. I went shopping for a blow off tool. The one I have is 40 years old and starting to leak around the valve. It's a quality tool made out of aluminum and brass. Guess how many quality blow off tools I found. None. They are all plastic or pot metal, third world crap, because the market has determined that's what people buy. I am one of the people that has caused this because I used to always shop price. Now that I'm willing to shop quality, there is damn little to be found without paying exponentially more. That blow off tool? $60-$80 will get you a good one. That's about 10 times the price of a cheap one and nobody in my town carries one. I ended up with another $6 gun that will fly across the shop at some point in the not too distant future.
Toyman01 wrote: In reply to Stefan: Unfortunately, that's life. If service won over price, there would be a airline that was stomping everyone with service. But there isn't. All we have is a race to the bottom. Who can do it cheapest and not piss of too many people. Here's a good one. I went shopping for a blow off tool. The one I have is 40 years old and starting to leak around the valve. It's a quality tool made out of aluminum and brass. Guess how many quality blow off tools I found. None. They are all plastic or pot metal, third world crap, because the market has determined that's what people buy. I am one of the people that has caused this because I used to always shop price. Now that I'm willing to shop quality, there is damn little to be found without paying exponentially more. That blow off tool? $60-$80 will get you a good one. That's about 10 times the price of a cheap one and nobody in my town carries one. I ended up with another $6 gun that will fly across the shop at some point in the not too distant future.
Yeah, but there is also the issue that it is hard for a customer to tell what quality the product is before buying, or what service they will receive.
I certainly don't want to be the idiot that buys a $6 blow off gun for $40 because I want a quality one but I can't tell the difference until I start using it.
SyntheticBlinkerFluid wrote:Bobzilla wrote:I really wish people would stop using that term.Appleseed wrote: What are you freaking out about? This is a normal Monday in Chiraq.Pretty much my first thought.
I'll stop using it when it no longer is relevant.
Chigadishu?
Chisul?
Chiganistan?
Or to work off of the old "derogatory term for a Belgian" Monty Python routine (they could not think of anything worse to call them than Belgian):
Chicago
Perhaps you could go with the technique they used to eliminate all crime in South Central Los Angeles:
South Milwaukee (there, all better now, crime in Chicago instantly drops to zero)
Toyman01 wrote: In reply to Sky_Render: Of course it's getting worse. No one wants to pay squat for a ticket. Low budget airlines are making everyone get cheaper. They have to cut costs somewhere, be glad it's not in the maintenance bays. It drives me crazy that everyone wants the the best in the world, but never wants to pay for it. You want good service from an airline, pay for it and fly first class. I promise you they are never overbooked and you will never be asked to leave the plane.
Tell that to my employer.
Stefan wrote: In reply to Grizz: Well, I guess that's me told then, eh? I guess you've never made mistakes in your life? Never paid your debts to society? Dude's 69 years old, an internist and from Vietnam, no chance he's seen some E36 M3 in his life, eh? I'm sure its all his fault that United is a corrupt organization that is abusing its customers. Its always about blaming the victim though, right? Personal responsibility only applies to others and not you because you're above reproach? Or maybe, just maybe its really about western society pulling their collective puritanism out of their butts along with the stick they used to shove their heads up there in the first place.
The dude stopped being a victim the second he refused to leave what is essentially private property until the airport police showed up to remove him. The companies are very open about being willing to kick you off of the plane at any time for any reason.
In reply to Grizz:
It was private property that he paid to be on. He had the right to be there, he was not trespassing. There was nothing he did to warrant his removal. They sold him a seat and decided they wanted it back after the fact. If I sell you a car, can I decide to take it back 2 days later and tell you tough luck?
It's more like me renting your car and part of the contract I agreed to says you can take it back whenever you feel like, then yes, yes you can.
I'm not defending United. I'm just not defending the old guy either.
In reply to MDJeepGuy:
Yes. As VW has found out, much to their dismay.
And his right to be there, ended when the airport police told him to leave the plane.
There's two things at work here.
1 - United (and the others) have a crappy policy that they don't actually have to honor their end of the agreement, that agreement being that they will transport you from point A to point B at a given time for a given amount. The guy agreed to pay the price, they renigged on the deal. That's crappy on the part of United.
2 - The Chicago airport po-po were overzealous, causing injury to a man causing no harm and dragged his unconscious body off a plane.
The guy will be a few million dollars richer in the near future and airline policies will change. In the end, our flying experience will somehow be worse as a consequence.
Appleseed wrote:SyntheticBlinkerFluid wrote:I'll stop using it when it no longer is relevant.Bobzilla wrote:I really wish people would stop using that term.Appleseed wrote: What are you freaking out about? This is a normal Monday in Chiraq.Pretty much my first thought.
The problem is that term is to reference the south side and people use it to reference the whole city and that's not accurate.
I'm sure there's nice parts of Detroit, but when you say Detroit people think Detroit.
Well, you know, we have indoor plumbing, here in Chicago.
Women can go to school, and wear what they choose, and be seen in public with men who are not in their family as well.
"Man is dragged off of plane and wants his $200 back" /= third world problems.
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