Let's talk punk music

Karl La Follette wrote: severe warning look up gigi allin

My old band from high school, the Ninjas, opened for the Murder Junkies once, but after G.G. died.

gamby wrote: Credited as the inventors of emo:

Emo = Emotional Revolution

Since the definition has changed over the years (before emo was pop, Dashboard Confessional was the best emo aground) therefore, I don't think anyone can be credited. Really, the same rules should apply to almost anything. I think Blue October was right when they said there's a different category for every song. Not trying to knock you down or even say you're wrong.

Trend setters are a dime a dozen.

Well, if a simple googling is any sort of barometer, then they'd be one of the earliest bands labeled "emo". Guy Picciotto would throw himself into his lyrics to the point of breaking down--in 1985. While it may not be regarded as "correct" by the punkest of punks, the word "emo" just about always comes up when Rites of Spring is mentioned. Nothing "dime a dozen" about guy Picciotto.

Around the early 90's, "emo" referred to DC straightedge hardcore/post-hardcore. FWIW, I'd always heard that "emo" meant "emotional hardcore".

Sunny Day Real Estate are a band that has "emo pioneers" come up in a lot of articles. They set the stage for what emo would become. "Rodeo Jones" was released in 1994 and sounds like it could have happened in the mainstream emo boom of 2003.

On a completely different note, I was watching a bunch of clips by The Eyeliners. I'd never heard of them, but they're a fun (now-defunct) all-girl pop-punk band. I'll probably buy a few of their tunes when I'm back on my "main" computer.

In reply to gamby:

+1 for the Eyeliners

Templars, Broken Bones, Oxblood, Blitz, The Bruisers, Poison Idea, The Business, Varukers, early Doom

isn't pop punk an oxymoron?

jumbo shrimp

Is Minor Threat punk or Hard Core?

ThePhranc wrote: Is Minor Threat punk or Hard Core?

Doesn't matter. Listen, and enjoy.

In reply to gamby:

I'd say the Smiths or maybe just Morrissey invented emo before there was even a name for it.

two bands, both very different but very good and quite obviously categorized as either punk or hardcore (not the new "hardcore" which is more like death metal but ACTUAL hardcore aka hardcore punk)
AFI before the last two cd's
and BAD BRAINS
and more BAD BRAINS
and a little more

especially the Black Dots cd.
"don't bother me"

Luke wrote: I think you call the MC5 'proto-punk'. Punk sound (and ideals) before the punk "scene" took off. Another excellent similar band (out of Detroit, too) is Death. Check out their album '...For the Whole World to See'. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rl3FstCc_OY

They had me at hello. I might have to pick up that album. Thanks for sharing.

On a related note, while in school my friend used to DJ a show called Loud Fast Rules. (His license plate read FE MA1DN, which I thought was awesome.) I did open rotation and sometimes did the local music show, but occasionally I'd cover his slot. That meant I got to spin 2 solid hours of metal, punk and whatever else was loud and fast. I'm happy to see that Loud Fast Rules is still with us: http://shows.wuog.org/loud-fast-rules/

Have we discussed Fishbone yet? I missed them when they played at school, but I finally caught them live--20 years later. What a great show. Angelo is still a nut.

ThePhranc wrote: Is Minor Threat punk or Hard Core?

The definition of straightedge hardcore.

In reply to David S. Wallens:

I mentioned Fishbone, but they are more power-ska.

Very much still worh listening to, though.

Aus Rotten

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THQ9uDd-blM&feature=related

Rudimentary Peni

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ce2oL0VZEJA&feature=related

mndsm wrote:

ThePhranc wrote: Is Minor Threat punk or Hard Core?

Doesn't matter. Listen, and enjoy.

Have been since 90. I also dig a little 'Shelter', Youth of Today', 'Longshot' , and some 'For One Cause'.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FoU2Gpwfea8

I can't believe I forgot to mention Big Black.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuO3wwLuF0w

I'm ashamed of myself and everyone here for letting this thread go four pages without a mention of Big Black. Though not exactly "punk" in my opinion, still worthy of a mention.

In reply to 16vCorey:

Agreed, though it's a slippery slope. I can't think of Big Black without sliding straight into Lard.

"WE'RE JUST A MINOR THREAT!!"

Ive always been a skate-punk fan: Pennywise, Lagwagon, Bad Religion, H2O, Face to Face, NOFX...

In reply to DukeOfUndersteer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-03q9VE0sOk

In reply to 16vCorey:

I'd say that depends if you were defining punk as a scene, an ethic or a style.

Big Black ticks two of those boxes, but they were not scene.

What about Naked Raygun?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFWeTDzdVzM

Jimmy Eat World, AFI, Alien Ant Farm, Lagwagon, Guttermouth, Riddlin Kids, Fall Out Boy, Exploited, Simple Plan, Deadsy, Anberlin, Pennywise, Reliant K, and much more lol

N Sperlo wrote:

gamby wrote: Credited as the inventors of emo:

Emo = Emotional Revolution Since the definition has changed over the years (before emo was pop, Dashboard Confessional was the best emo aground) therefore, I don't think anyone can be credited. Really, the same rules should apply to almost anything. I think Blue October was right when they said there's a different category for every song. Not trying to knock you down or even say you're wrong. Trend setters are a dime a dozen.

Your opinion is wrong. Dashboard Confessional is to Emo ("Emotional Hardcore," btw) what berkeleying Britney Spears is to R&B, and bands like sunny day had not only created but perfected that 'brand' of emo while those clowns were E36 M3ting their pants and playing menudo covers, which their originals might as well be.

DukeOfUndersteer wrote: Ive always been a skate-punk fan: Pennywise, Lagwagon, Bad Religion, H2O, Face to Face, NOFX...

adolescents, germs, DRI

The Vindictives are also worth a mention.