93EXCivic wrote: I am worried Israel Iran could get ugly quick though.
This too.......what most of us don't realize is how Isreal operates. If threats are made in any way, they will attack whomever they need to in order to survive as a nation. Thats the way they've always done it.
I see this leading closer and closer to the beginning of the opening cinimatic storyline to Homefront tho.....and I am worried. Full scale war in the middle east will lead to the rise of the far east powers.
In reply to kazoospec:
Re the attack on the Libyan consulate - the speculation is that a terrorist group (Salafi?) used the 9/11 demonstration as a cover to co-ordinate its' assault. It's not unreasonable to think that same group knew about (or even assisted in encouraging) any protest.
Regardless of the US' support for the "Arab Spring" and its' desire for democratically elected representation, there is a tremendous amount of resentment for perceived past and present transgressions.
I think you're spot-on about local support for the radicals; the moderates don't want to be murdered so they stay quiet. The fundamentalists may get the power but, sadly, nothing suggests anything will change for the people; they will still be ruled by despotic leaders and forced to live in abject poverty and ignorance.
yamaha wrote: I see this leading closer and closer to the beginning of the opening cinimatic storyline to Homefront tho.....and I am worried. Full scale war in the middle east will lead to the rise of the far east powers.
Agreed. Full scale war in the middle east doesn't scare me near as much as what will kick off further east with China, North Korea, and Pakistan. North Korea has nothing to lose by dropping a bomb like its hot on Seoul because China doesn't like what we are doing in the middle east. China has also made it known that they have no problem with Iran having nukes so I can only assume that they would back them in a war.
Russia... wild card
In reply to yamaha:
I firmly believe that in the case of full scale war in the middle east, our involvement will be minimal and therefore we won't have to worry much.
Although I believe this, I am a bit of a prepper and am always prepared for anything.
I honestly believe deep down that both China and Russia won't to avoid nuclear war. I mean nuclear war is going to do little to help them especially with the growth of money within the countries among the upper classes.
93EXCivic wrote: I honestly believe deep down that both China and Russia won't to avoid nuclear war. I mean nuclear war is going to do little to help them especially with the growth of money within the countries among the upper classes.
Yeah, I agree with that. I am just worried about how their thoughts will change if Iran does some crazy E36 M3.
From http://www.zerohedge.com/news/arabian-fall-update-egypt-libya-yemen-morrocco-tunisia-sudan-and-now-lebanon
ZH said: From the Arabian Spring of hope (although technically protesting soaring food prices, something which is about to happen all over again) to the Arabian Fall of anti-American revulsion in under two years: has to be a blowback record. The latest casualty: the German embassy in Sudan: Protestors now inside German Embassy in Khartoum, Sudan - RTRS Protesters pull down emblem at German embassy in Sudan, raise Islamic flag, Reuters witness says - RTRS Protesters set KFC restaurant on fire in Lebanon over pope's visit, anti-Islam film -RTRS So: Egypt, Libya, Yemen, Morrocco, Tunisia, Sudan and now Lebanon. Did we miss anyone?
In reply to Anti-stance:
Russia will side with whomever they think stands the better chance.........they've flipped sides numerous times in history
In reply to N Sperlo:
Possibly it would be mainly between the iranians and israel/saudis........but this would lead to a much larger widespread energy crisis that would in turn lead to our military getting involved to try and put an end to it quicker.
I guarentee that if we get involved in a scenario like that, China will enter on the other side. They did exactly that in Korea and Vietnam, so I wouldn't be surprised.
Dark times are ahead if everyone doesn't tread lightly
Ninja edit: Out of all of the nations already suggested, I believe Israel would be the only one that would use nuclear weapons.......do they have any??? The UN doesn't even know
Nukes mess with business too much. The Chinese are not going to get real interested in anything that pinches the money flow off. Kinda hard to mass produce cheap plastic toys and disposable consumer electronics when the plants are radioactive, y'know?
At some point the Arabs and the Israelis will be at each other's throats big time instead of the small scale crap that's happened since the Six Days War in 1967. Of course both sides are going to want assistance from the superpowers as in us, the Russians and the Chinese. But that means we'd be making war by proxy and I don't think that will happen. Selling them weapons via third parties? Yeah, probably so. Supplying troops etc? I doubt it.
In reply to yamaha:
Russia and China are in it primarily for Iran's oil; neither give a flip about the sanctions and ignore them. That they conflict with the West's and US' interests is a side benefit.
I wouldn't be surprised by an Israeli attack with covert Saudi support; they fear Iran more than each other. Should an attack occur, I wouldn't be surprised if it was expanded beyond suspected nuclear sites and include Iran's oil production and transport system. If Iran can't sell oil to anyone, it would collapse in a very ugly way.
And, yeah, it would put a tremendous strain on existing suppliers and throw the world economy into chaos.
We live in "interesting" times.
yamaha wrote: End of Ze World!!!
Hahaha a classic! 
Curmudgeon wrote: Selling them weapons via third parties? Yeah, probably so. Supplying troops etc? I doubt it.
That is a play straight of of Iran's playbook. They have always been the problem, not Iraq, not Afghanistan, not Yemen, not Pakistan, not the Palestinians, not the Israelis. It has been Iran all along. We just look like a bunch of shiny happy people punching every other country around them in their bean bags.
Anti-stance wrote:yamaha wrote: I see this leading closer and closer to the beginning of the opening cinimatic storyline to Homefront tho.....and I am worried. Full scale war in the middle east will lead to the rise of the far east powers.Agreed. Full scale war in the middle east doesn't scare me near as much as what will kick off further east with China, North Korea, and Pakistan. North Korea has nothing to lose by dropping a bomb like its hot on Seoul because China doesn't like what we are doing in the middle east. China has also made it known that they have no problem with Iran having nukes so I can only assume that they would back them in a war. Russia... wild card
True... if one remembers history, WWI was started by the assasination of one guy in a country somewhat unrelated the rest of Europe... While this isn't exactly the same thing, there are stark reminders. An Israeli attack on Iran could turn really bloody, very quickly by giving the various Islamic factions something to focus on rather than bickering among each other. Sure, Isreal would hold its own for awhile, but eventually the sheer numbers could be a problem.
I wish the Dem and Rep sides would get together behind closed doors and decide how to deal with this because bickering in public will do the country as a whole no good regardless of who wins in November and we can't wait until November to decide what to do.
I honestly believe the burning of the KFC was the right thing to do. I have ate at one twice in 5 years and both times made me sick.
The rest of these attacks and riots are reprehensible. They seem to be spreading to the Brits and German embassies as well.
This all sounds way too much like a Tom Clancy book.
The Iranians have had a case of the azz at us for a long time over US support of the Shah way back when. That's what triggered the embassy siege and hostage crisis in 1979. Not saying our support was right. Not saying it was wrong. There's a case to be made for both sides.
The difference between then and now was the Ayatollah Khomeni supported and according to some sources was the main force behind that, since he was their government that made them basically combatants carrying out state sanctioned policy. These people attacking the embassies now appear to be acting on their own, not as agents of their governments.
The current guy Amenidad? (spelling definitely wrong) will, if he has any sense, remember that the moment Reagan got elected the hostages were released because Reagan did NOT rule out an invasion. Let's hope our current government remembers that lesson as well.
Saddam destabilized the entire Middle East, he was at perpetual war with the Iranians (they fought how many wars?) then he decided to attack Kuwait. The one good thing about him being in power: he kept the Iranians occupied. Now that he's gone, the Iranians (or to be more accurate their government) can turn their attention to other things. That's got to have the Israeli's attention big time.
In reply to rebelgtp:
how dare you. How. Dare. You. KFC is delicious.
I've been watching the CNN feed. The riots gave been settling down, but more peaceful protests are happening than violent. A lot of kids throwing rocks.
In reply to oldsaw:
I wasn't commenting on the iran side of oil production.......I fear that Iran could and WOULD attack oil fields in Saudi Arabia, Iraq, and Kuwait.......it would make sense and level the playing field.......that would absolutely murder the global economy(and make russia all the wealthier)
We were really stupid the way we played the Iraq/Iran war. We also continued to make poor decisions after that war including not being clear to Saddam that it was not okay to start raiding other countries. In all honesty, I think Saddam thought we would be cool with them going into Kuwait.
In reply to yamaha:
Depends on how you define wealth.
cwh wrote: This all sounds way too much like a Tom Clancy book.
'The Sum Of All Fears' is fairly close.
In reply to Anti-stance:
My ideas regarding the current wars would be rather political, but I agree in a sense.
N Sperlo wrote: In reply to yamaha: Depends on how you define wealth.
I swear they define wealth with how many bottles of vodka are present......
Russia still is a massive producer of oil presently
Curmudgeon wrote:cwh wrote: This all sounds way too much like a Tom Clancy book.'The Sum Of All Fears' is fairly close.
Too many words, not enough pictures.
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