Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) said:I really need to chase my Siberian Husky around the living room with my baritone saxophone, record the results and sent it to Pandora.
Hey, man, as another bari player (as well as tenor, alto and soprano) who had a wonderful Siberian for 15 years, I can clearly envision this, go for it!!
Duke said:rdcyclist said:
Man, I am sooooo tired of this sentiment.
They didn't stop making good music in whatever year you graduated high school.
You just quit listening for it.
Man, I've tried and tried. Yes, there are a few pieces out there that are truly music but to my ear, most of it sucks. It just doesn't "fit" together. Sounds like two radio stations of different genres on at the same time. But that's just me, if you're finding music made in the last 20 years to be listenable, more power to you. I'm not getting it. Years ago I had a meme before that's what they were called showing the "History of Black Music" with a coupla bars of a John Coltrane piece and a coupla bars of some Rap "Music". The contrast was stark. IMHO, that's what's happened in the last coupla decades or so.
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Toyman! said:Duke said:rdcyclist said:
Man, I am sooooo tired of this sentiment.
They didn't stop making good music in whatever year you graduated high school.
You just quit listening for it.
The ability to self produce music means the first filter for bad music is the end user. Not saying the record lables were a good thing but these days you do have to wade through a lot of bad music to find the nuggets worth listening to.
You've always had to wade through a lot of bad music to find the nuggets. What's happened is time. Only the better music from the past has survived. The dross is gone.
The problem with music today is that you're still being exposed to all of it instead of just the songs that will survive the test of time.
Keith Tanner said:
You've always had to wade through a lot of bad music to find the nuggets. What's happened is time. Only the better music from the past has survived. The dross is gone.The problem with music today is that you're still being exposed to all of it instead of just the songs that will survive the test of time.
Yet the Red Hot Chili Peppers *still* get a ton of airplay. Sometimes the bad music just won't go away.
Keith Tanner said:Toyman! said:Duke said:rdcyclist said:
Man, I am sooooo tired of this sentiment.
They didn't stop making good music in whatever year you graduated high school.
You just quit listening for it.
The ability to self produce music means the first filter for bad music is the end user. Not saying the record lables were a good thing but these days you do have to wade through a lot of bad music to find the nuggets worth listening to.
You've always had to wade through a lot of bad music to find the nuggets. What's happened is time. Only the better music from the past has survived. The dross is gone.
The problem with music today is that you're still being exposed to all of it instead of just the songs that will survive the test of time.
There was a song about General Hospital that was in Billboard's top 100 for a few weeks in the early 80s. But yeah, music was all great back then.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BD7XkD5scTI
rdcyclist said:Man, I've tried and tried. Yes, there are a few pieces out there that are truly music but to my ear, most of it sucks. It just doesn't "fit" together. Sounds like two radio stations of different genres on at the same time. But that's just me, if you're finding music made in the last 20 years to be listenable, more power to you. I'm not getting it. Years ago I had a meme before that's what they were called showing the "History of Black Music" with a coupla bars of a John Coltrane piece and a coupla bars of some Rap "Music". The contrast was stark. IMHO, that's what's happened in the last coupla decades or so.
Curious how old you are, and what your general taste in music is. Because in the last 20 years, we've had Adele's '21' and Daft Punk 'Random Access Memories'.
As for the "decline" of black music and hearkening back to Coltrane - in that time Kendrick Lamar won the freaking Pullitzer Prize for his album 'DAMN.' which is perhaps the most ambitious concept album I've ever listened to. Seriously, it was composed, mixed and recorded so that it can be played in standard OR reverse track order. If you program things in reverse, the song transitions still flow into each other and the new order takes the same material but creates a new piece of art that basically hinges on - if one thing had changed - how Kendrick's might have been completely different.
'To Pimp a Butterfly' is as much a jazz album as hip hop.
But also... I've listened to contemporary music that I could recognize is good art, but that I absolutely HATED. I tried listening to Chappell Roan, and I swear her music is intentionally crafted to repel middle-aged men like me. And this makes me GLAD! Younger generations SHOULD be creating music that annoys and offends the previous generation.
I regularly listen to American Top 40: The 70s, and anyone who thinks old music was better has forgotten about most of what hit the charts.
Memes unrelated:
In reply to Wally (Forum Supporter) :
Hey, you want bad. Check out the pop music from the early to mid 70's!! Holy hell! I was trying to compile top songs from each year and started going back into the 70... ouch, they are horrific. Captain & Tennille anyone! Wow, it's bad!
In reply to aircooled :
What's wrong with Captain Tenneal?
Keith Tanner said:Toyman! said:Duke said:rdcyclist said:
Man, I am sooooo tired of this sentiment.
They didn't stop making good music in whatever year you graduated high school.
You just quit listening for it.
The ability to self produce music means the first filter for bad music is the end user. Not saying the record lables were a good thing but these days you do have to wade through a lot of bad music to find the nuggets worth listening to.
You've always had to wade through a lot of bad music to find the nuggets. What's happened is time. Only the better music from the past has survived. The dross is gone.
The problem with music today is that you're still being exposed to all of it instead of just the songs that will survive the test of time.
Exactly. I remember back when I was in high school the two AM top 40 stations in town played nothing but disco stuff. It was all Bee Gees, Leif Garrett and Donna Summer. You never hear any of that stuff on the radio anymore.
But the Number One music station in Dallas today is Lone Star 92.5 that plays Zeppelin, Floyd and all the other stuff that was played on FM stations in the 60s. It sounds like a 70s FM rock station. On Radio Discussions.com you can hear the guys who program radio stations for a living complaining about the fact that 35% of the music on a Country station can be new stuff and the ratings never change, but when you start putting new stuff on a classic rock station that ratings start dropping. And stations that play the new rock are never Number One stations. It's all about the ratings, and money.
Jim Pettengill said:Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) said:I really need to chase my Siberian Husky around the living room with my baritone saxophone, record the results and sent it to Pandora.
Hey, man, as another bari player (as well as tenor, alto and soprano) who had a wonderful Siberian for 15 years, I can clearly envision this, go for it!!
I still think that the woo woo yowling of most Siberian Huskies sounds a lot like Robert Plant.
johndej said:Nostalgia peaks remembering what was popular when you were a teenager.
Many rants about how "the music I like is better than all the music I don't like" never touch on WHY.
This infographic aligns with the concept that you like YOUR music because it's what went into your earholes at the time in your life when you were happiest and/or your mind was more open. For many people, the teen years were that period of becoming an adult and waking up to the world, and whatever was being played at them (terrestrial AM/FM or internet algorithms) is what got imprinted. But if you had older siblings or other family that broadened your tastes from earlier ages, then you may be less limited.
Tangent: Western music with its handful of time signatures and twelve notes is not the sum total of human music making. Arguing over eras in North American pop music is kinda splitting hairs.
Sorry to pile onto this sidetrack/derailment.
Let's just be honest with ourselves about the music thing, good music and billboard charts are two separate circles on a venn diagram, no matter the decade or year.
Popular and high quality are very rarely the same things.
Beer Baron 🍺 said:rdcyclist said:Man, I've tried and tried. Yes, there are a few pieces out there that are truly music but to my ear, most of it sucks. It just doesn't "fit" together. Sounds like two radio stations of different genres on at the same time. But that's just me, if you're finding music made in the last 20 years to be listenable, more power to you. I'm not getting it. Years ago I had a meme before that's what they were called showing the "History of Black Music" with a coupla bars of a John Coltrane piece and a coupla bars of some Rap "Music". The contrast was stark. IMHO, that's what's happened in the last coupla decades or so.
Curious how old you are, and what your general taste in music is. Because in the last 20 years, we've had Adele's '21' and Daft Punk 'Random Access Memories'.
As for the "decline" of black music and hearkening back to Coltrane - in that time Kendrick Lamar won the freaking Pullitzer Prize for his album 'DAMN.' which is perhaps the most ambitious concept album I've ever listened to. Seriously, it was composed, mixed and recorded so that it can be played in standard OR reverse track order. If you program things in reverse, the song transitions still flow into each other and the new order takes the same material but creates a new piece of art that basically hinges on - if one thing had changed - how Kendrick's might have been completely different.
'To Pimp a Butterfly' is as much a jazz album as hip hop.
But also... I've listened to contemporary music that I could recognize is good art, but that I absolutely HATED. I tried listening to Chappell Roan, and I swear her music is intentionally crafted to repel middle-aged men like me. And this makes me GLAD! Younger generations SHOULD be creating music that annoys and offends the previous generation.
I'm a 68yo white guy who's lived nearly of his life in NorCal. I'm partial to "Classic Rock", jazz, and music with good harmony. I don't like discordant or excessively repetitive "music". Yes, there is quite a bit of quality stuff put out in the last 20 years but so much of the rest doesn't sound like music but someone yelling as loud as they can while the rest of the band is attempting to fill in the background as best they can and their best isn't very good. And the vast majority of Rap falls under the heading of "Performance Art" IHMO...
I'll hafta give Kendrick Lamar a listen. Remember though, he may have won a Pulitzer for that album but Taylor Swift was Time magazine's Person of the Year in the midst of the Ukraine war and all the sheit going on in the middle east. 'Splain that to me, Loosee!
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In reply to rdcyclist :
So... they compared two very different styles of music - jazz and rap - and the AGE was what they came away with as the problem?
The Coltrane era was full of unlistenable jazz, too. Why didn't they compare a modern black jazz artist?
In reply to Beer Baron 🍺 :
I dunno, man. After a couple caipirinha i feel pretty damn magical
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