ddavidv
ddavidv PowerDork
8/19/13 6:52 a.m.

I haven't been instructing for very long, but my students thus far have been pretty mainstream and predictable. Some are good, some need a lot of hand holding. I think this weekend I had one of those rare, magical occurrences that just make you go "wow".

My student: a 20-something Asian girl driving a new-ish BMW 328xi, like this: With different, cooler wheels and some carbon fiber look stuff. It's an automatic. She's had one prior track day, at a different track. She's autocrossed some. She's so thin, I'm not sure she weighs enough for the seat to detect her for airbag activation. So what would you expect your weekend to be like?

Our first session we go out. The transmission does all the shifting. She figures out the general line quickly, and we work on hitting individual marks. I can tell right away she is FOCUSED and BRAVE (not to be confused with FEARLESS). I can tell her to do something once, and she does it. She effs up, and self analyzes. Hmmm. This is looking like it's going to be fun. Too bad about that wonky autobox though, as it's fighting her on corner exits.

So I offer her to ride with me in the instructor session in my Spec E30. Loud, harsh, brutal. She's all over it. I tell her like I'm telling you, I'd be lying if I didn't admit there is a bit of showing off when instructors take students out. I don't go 10/10ths, but if they aren't screaming during the warm up lap, I turn the wick up to where it's fun for both of us. I hear not a word from the right seat. Do a "thumbs up" check and get the affirmative, so we keep going. I point out a few things and also fess up when I do wrong (which is often enough to keep my ego in check). We come in and I get "awesome".

So after my "don't try what I did" speech, we got out for session two. She's done sandbagging. Her hand uses the autostick. She's hitting apexes like they are a bad ex-boyfriend. The traction control is off; the X-drive makes this a non-issue. She's smooth, fast, and totally serious. I'm in awe. Every little squiggle of pushing it a smidge past where it should be is corrected with the precision of a ninja.

She's got The Gift.

It is rainy for our second day and she adjusts perfectly. As the track dries out, she's driving this giant pig as fast as I probably would, and in total control. She is Master of her universe. The last session, I say almost nothing. I just let her drive, enjoying the dance, watching one of my buddies chasing her in MY car (far lighter, far stickier but less power). If we had been able to work on her late braking she would have smoked him, but it's wet and we agree today isn't the day. When our day is done, I do my best to tell her how good she is without making her cocky. Yeah, the car is really, really good and makes some of it possible, but the car isn't nailing the shift points, throttle application out of turns and corner entry points. I basically plead with her to keep pursuing this sport.

In the course of our conversations throughout the weekend, I learn that she only got interested in driving after purchasing the 328. She's a highly educated, very smart girl (probably with a super IQ) and quickly found the internet forums, local BMW tuner shops, etc. She tells me the autobox was a compromise for the urban driving she does and that it fought her when she first got it, so she took it to the dealer and told the service department to "reflash the berkeleying thing so it works right". She's totally got it bad, and she's loving every minute of it. Oh, and she bought a E36 M3 to turn into her track toy.

aussiesmg
aussiesmg MegaDork
8/19/13 7:31 a.m.

Nicely played sir, credit where credit is due.

Oh and pics or it didn't happen

EastCoastMojo
EastCoastMojo Mod Squad
8/19/13 7:34 a.m.

She sounds awesome! She needs to stop by GRM forums

Apexcarver
Apexcarver PowerDork
8/19/13 7:43 a.m.

she sounds familiar, does she auto-x down near DC by chance?

Giant Purple Snorklewacker
Giant Purple Snorklewacker MegaDork
8/19/13 8:01 a.m.

I don't like to stereotype... but I will because it's effective. I've been instructing a long time. By and large women are very good right out of the box. They will do everything you tell them and do it well. They make excellent technical drivers when they are new students.... but for some reason when you stop leading them - they will drive right off the end of the front straight without braking. Make sure you always do a session without talking before soloing them so they learn to stop looking for your reassurance. Especially younger women.

I realize how sexist that sounds.... but I also have mental categories and techniques especially for doctor-types, CEOs, Russians, engineers, older women who just came to appease their husband and men/women who want to get a racing license or become an instructor. I've brought every one home safe for the last 10 years. Stereotyping works :)

The good news is that young women and engineers (either sex) make the best drivers, eventually. They just need different types of help to get there. (Tip: Engineers are always thinking about fixing the last corner... need to be told to forget the past and focus on what is in front of the car)

pinchvalve
pinchvalve UltimaDork
8/19/13 8:08 a.m.

My HPDE instructors have all been really great, thanks for your time guys!

ddavidv
ddavidv PowerDork
8/19/13 10:14 a.m.
aussiesmg wrote: Nicely played sir, credit where credit is due. Oh and pics or it didn't happen

Errr, yeah...thought about asking to have my pic taken with her. Not because I'm a balding old pervert, but for the day she becomes famous and I can say "See, I knew her back in 2013 when she was just starting out!".

Yes, I believe she does autocross in the DC area. I don't want to say a whole lot more as I think only she should divulge her identity, should she want.

I have to admit in browsing the entry list and trying to figure out which person I'd get I was hoping for the gal for the same reasons that GPS cited. In teaching my teen accident avoidance students I've learned that a female with a small amount of determination will learn VERY quickly. I just didn't expect so much, so soon, and with such consistency. It's quite humbling. As I replay the weekend in my head, I realize that my student is already doing laps with such consistency I am a wandering buffoon in comparison. Way too early to discuss it, but I can see her being a dynamite instructor some day should she desire.

My only reservation is I want to see her perform in the RWD only M3. If she can show that she can slide and catch it repeatedly (and I think that's probably a given) I'd be completely convinced (and horribly humbled, if we share track time).

TRoglodyte
TRoglodyte Dork
8/19/13 10:26 a.m.

It is neat watching someone that has "The Gift". Like a talented musician that can move effortlessly between instruments "by ear".

gamby
gamby UltimaDork
8/19/13 10:40 a.m.

In reply to ddavidv:

That's RAD.

I think any teacher could appreciate this. I love having kickass music students who are passionate about the subject.

That said, a little chick who is a gnarly driver is just plain cool. Good for her.

yamaha
yamaha PowerDork
8/19/13 10:49 a.m.
TRoglodyte wrote: It is neat watching someone that has "The Gift". Like a talented musician that can move effortlessly between instruments "by ear".

This, its quite amazing at times, and extremely rare. I'm stuck learning from doing things.

gamby
gamby UltimaDork
8/19/13 10:54 a.m.
ddavidv wrote:
aussiesmg wrote: Nicely played sir, credit where credit is due. Oh and pics or it didn't happen
Errr, yeah...thought about asking to have my pic taken with her. Not because I'm a balding old pervert, but for the day she becomes famous and I can say "See, I knew her back in 2013 when she was just starting out!". Yes, I believe she does autocross in the DC area. I don't want to say a whole lot more as I think only she should divulge her identity, should she want. I have to admit in browsing the entry list and trying to figure out which person I'd get I was hoping for the gal for the same reasons that GPS cited. In teaching my teen accident avoidance students I've learned that a female with a small amount of determination will learn VERY quickly. I just didn't expect so much, so soon, and with such consistency. It's quite humbling. As I replay the weekend in my head, I realize that my student is already doing laps with such consistency I am a wandering buffoon in comparison. Way too early to discuss it, but I can see her being a dynamite instructor some day should she desire. My only reservation is I want to see her perform in the RWD only M3. If she can show that she can slide and catch it repeatedly (and I think that's probably a given) I'd be completely convinced (and horribly humbled, if we share track time).

You should have asked for the pic. In this instagram society, she wouldn't have minded and I don't think it's creepy. I'd want some sort of proof that I instructed her.

When I was heavily into skateboarding a few years ago, one of our regular Tuesday night crew was a girl (13 at the time) named Nora Vasconcellos. She kept getting better and better over the years, to the point where she was ridiculous by the time she was 17. Killer vert/transition/bowl skater. She's pro now. I'm out of touch with her now, but I distinctly remember telling her (probably when she was 15) that I wanted an autographed deck when she went pro.

Raw talent is something I haven't really possessed in anything.

motomoron
motomoron Dork
8/19/13 11:02 a.m.

After years of badgering I've finally managed to get a younger woman I know to come out to an SCCA PDX event at Summit Point next month. She bought a WRX sti recently and that was the tipping point.

Also, she's a multiple national championship winning motorcycle road racer who ran her own successful national endurance racing team, and who has written for The Big Motorcycle Roadracing Magazine, reviewing bikes at press intros and writing in-depth technological articles.

She's done lap times at Summit Point on a 600cc motorcycle that within a few % of what I do in a C sports racer on fresh Hoosier slicks.

But she knows nothing of "The Car Line". So I'm going to try my best to only have one student - her - and will alternate us in my car - classroom - us in her car.

I'm really looking forward to this.

gamby
gamby UltimaDork
8/19/13 11:13 a.m.

In reply to motomoron:

She's going to crush it in no time. She already has the racer mentality--it'll just be a matter of figuring out the dynamics of a car, which I'm guessing, won't take long for her at all.

That should be good.

yamaha
yamaha PowerDork
8/19/13 11:15 a.m.

In reply to gamby:

Yep, those already gifted should adjust well......doesn't always mean they'll be good at it though.

gamby
gamby UltimaDork
8/19/13 11:19 a.m.
yamaha wrote: In reply to gamby: Yep, those already gifted should adjust well......doesn't always mean they'll be good at it though.

Dollars to donuts, she'll be better than me.

Klayfish
Klayfish SuperDork
8/19/13 11:30 a.m.

Did you get out of the car, drop to one knee and propose to her??

racerdave600
racerdave600 Dork
8/19/13 12:06 p.m.

There is a difference between those gifted and those of us that have to learn to be decent. She definitely sounds to be at least in the "somewhat gifted" camp. Time will tell.

I've only done a small amount of right seat time, but this actually before that. I remember years ago being at a track event, and friend was have issues with his car. I let him finish the day in my MR2. He was quite a bit younger than me, maybe 18 at the time, and I had him beat pretty badly. He asked me what I was doing where, so I went over it with him corner by corner as best as I could remember. The next session he was faster than me by a second or so. And this was only verbal instructions. Anyway, he went on to drive in GrandAm setting fast laps along the way.

wbjones
wbjones PowerDork
8/19/13 1:22 p.m.
Klayfish wrote: Did you get out of the car, drop to one knee and propose to her??

yeah, I was wondering if she would like to hook up with a certified "dirty old man" ?

bluesideup
bluesideup Reader
8/19/13 2:02 p.m.

I had a student like this when I was a flight instructor. She could do anything with the airplane and was a diligent student when it came to studying. Unfortunately I think she ended up getting out of flying and becoming an air traffic controller due to boy issues.

DirtyBird222
DirtyBird222 UltraDork
8/19/13 4:48 p.m.

Sounds like you had an amazing experience instructing. Before signing my life over to the military the local autox group I ran with made me an instructor for newbies mainly in FWD cars. The first time it was awesome, the kid listened to everything I had to say, hit all of the marks, etc. Second time around at a night event, I got a Chinese foreign exchange student attending UCF. Very very smart kid, but scariest experience I've ever had autoxing. Did not listen to a word I had to say, drove erratically on a course with a lot of light poles, after the first two runs he decided to load up his car with some tools and other spare parts he brought with without advising me. We go around a corner way to fast almost hit a pole he slams on his breaks and a freakin crescent wrench nails the back of my helmet. I almost gave up at that point, I recommending he take a course on listening to instructions and one on basic driving skills before he ever come back.

ddavidv
ddavidv PowerDork
8/19/13 9:48 p.m.
Klayfish wrote: Did you get out of the car, drop to one knee and propose to her??

You guys are hilarious. Should I start with the 25 year age difference? Or go down the path of "Do you really want to be married to someone who can whup your ass on the track?".

And then there's that whole issue of being married already to some other lady who pays half my mortgage. She did say I could have a girlfriend whenever I want, so long as she cooks and cleans.

Damn punk kids. Now I'm wondering why I can't hit my marks with the same consistency. GET OFF MY LAWN!

TRoglodyte
TRoglodyte Dork
8/19/13 9:52 p.m.

^ Eyesight , Lasik

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