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Purple Frog (Forum Supporter)
Purple Frog (Forum Supporter) Dork
3/16/24 11:24 a.m.

From the old curmudgeon:

Is the juice going to be worth the squeeze?  Looks to me to be a major expense for not much gain.   Just saying.

If I were to do anything, I would close off the "middle" opening that goes back to the kitchen, and turn that new room into a storage/pantry with access from the other side.

YMMV

SV reX
SV reX MegaDork
3/16/24 12:02 p.m.
Steve_Jones said:
SV reX said:

First dimension is simple. What’s the overall height from the first floor finished floor to the second?

9 feet from what I remember. I'll be back at the house Tuesday. 

I think you've got 9' ceilings, which would mean your measurement is more like 10'.

SV reX
SV reX MegaDork
3/16/24 12:02 p.m.
Purple Frog (Forum Supporter) said:

From the old curmudgeon:

Is the juice going to be worth the squeeze?  Looks to me to be a major expense for not much gain.   Just saying.

If I were to do anything, I would close off the "middle" opening that goes back to the kitchen, and turn that new room into a storage/pantry with access from the other side.

YMMV

I totally agree. 

SV reX
SV reX MegaDork
3/16/24 12:17 p.m.

In reply to Steve_Jones :

The 2nd easiest solution is a straight run like Stampie drew.  The problem is I don't think you have enough space, unless the lower stairs can be moved forward.

If I'm not mistaken, it looks like you have about 80" in height from the landing to the upper level.  In order to build a stair that rises 80", you need about 100" of run.  It looks like you have about 7' (84").  You'd need to move the lower stairs to get enough run.

NermalSnert (Forum Supporter)
NermalSnert (Forum Supporter) HalfDork
3/16/24 3:40 p.m.

Steve_Jones
Steve_Jones UltraDork
3/16/24 4:45 p.m.
SV reX said:
Purple Frog (Forum Supporter) said:

From the old curmudgeon:

Is the juice going to be worth the squeeze?  Looks to me to be a major expense for not much gain.   Just saying.

If I were to do anything, I would close off the "middle" opening that goes back to the kitchen, and turn that new room into a storage/pantry with access from the other side.

YMMV

I totally agree. 

You are correct on the 9 ft ceiling. What is suggested above was the first thing I said. Solves the issue and gets you kitchen storage, for not much time and money. Someone else started down the "what if we" game.....

John Welsh
John Welsh Mod Squad
3/16/24 5:57 p.m.

Fashion vs function...  

Sure, the grand staircase or foyer only staircase is probably the fashion answer.  But, if the rear exit of the steps goes to my assumed kitchen/family room side of the house, I'll bet that 99% of the current traffic on these steps originates and terminates on the kitchen side rather than foyer side.  

Is that a "function" that you want to get rid of?  

Steve_Jones
Steve_Jones UltraDork
3/16/24 6:23 p.m.

In reply to John Welsh :

There is also a back staircase from the family room, go figure. 

John Welsh
John Welsh Mod Squad
3/16/24 6:56 p.m.

In reply to Steve_Jones :

Oh, man.  I want to play hide and seek at your place!  So many pathways/travel patterns/escape routes!  

SV reX
SV reX MegaDork
3/16/24 7:10 p.m.

In reply to John Welsh :

You know, that sounds a little bit creepy, right? 😂

GameboyRMH
GameboyRMH MegaDork
3/16/24 7:31 p.m.
NermalSnert (Forum Supporter) said:

Compact spiral staircases: for when you want to be absolutely sure nothing large can go up or down the stairs ever again cheeky

Steve_Jones
Steve_Jones UltraDork
3/16/24 7:36 p.m.
SV reX said:

In reply to John Welsh :

You know, that sounds a little bit creepy, right? 😂

He took the free candy, he knew the risk. 

NermalSnert (Forum Supporter)
NermalSnert (Forum Supporter) HalfDork
3/16/24 8:00 p.m.

In reply to GameboyRMH :

You got that E36 M3 right.

rich911s
rich911s Reader
3/16/24 8:26 p.m.

In reply to Steve_Jones :

Recovering home builder here.  Looking at your photo I would imagine that there are bearing points on the left and right in those walls and a girder across the middle with the floor trusses of the second floor hanging on the back of the girder.  I can't imagine that they would have run the second floor joists the long way (sideways), too thick and expensive.  So, I'm guessing that you will need some support on the left and right if you're going to remove any of the walls there even if it's only a steel pole.  We just installed a really modern looking staircase from Viewrail and it came out amazing, I would give them a look if you're thinking modern, they have several models/styles.  Best bet is to see if you can get your original house plan from builder/municipality/previous owner/engineer of record to see what your dealing with structurally before trying to redesign it.  If you have any questions, let me know, I can try to answer.        

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SV reX
SV reX MegaDork
3/16/24 8:58 p.m.

In reply to rich911s :

I have no idea why that would matter. I haven't heard anyone suggest removing anything that could potentially be load bearing.

dculberson
dculberson MegaDork
3/16/24 9:17 p.m.

Hmm if there's a back set of stairs, do you need these at all? 
 

My house has three sets of stairs. Sometimes it drives me crazy but we don't need the space so I just put up with it. 

APEowner
APEowner UltraDork
3/16/24 11:53 p.m.

Personally, I'd leave them just the way they are and use the money to buy another racecar.

rich911s
rich911s Reader
3/17/24 10:28 a.m.

In reply to SV reX :

Maybe I misunderstood, i thought he wanted to remove the left wall to open it up more...

We bought a house earlier this week, knowing it needs updating and redesign. Luckily it won't be a time crunch so it can be thought about and done the right way. One of the main issues to me is an odd dual landing (for lack of a better description). I have 2 thoughts, but know people here come up with great ideas. One thought is convert it to only face front, and change the left wall to open it up more.

Paul_VR6 (Forum Supporter)
Paul_VR6 (Forum Supporter) UltraDork
3/17/24 12:10 p.m.

There is a version of our house plan with stairs like that to the kitchen/breakfast nook area. When those stairs are omitted there is a pantry there thats 1000x more handy than more stairs. Really depends which set of stairs the basement run uses. 

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