Names and Juniors/Numbers on IDs

So, weird question to settle a disagreement...

If you're the second or third in your family with the same name (Joe Blow Jr. or Joe Blow III), does your license/passport reflect that? Or does it just say, "Joe Blow" and not take the Jr./III into account at all? Thanks!

(and for those whose minds may immediately go there, no this does not mean SWMBO is pregnant...) :P

i cant answer directly because we all have different middle names but i do know if its addressed too me without a middle initial my dad or my son can open it/cash checks. so im guessing they do use the jr part.

Knowing a few people who had juniors that ripped them off or ruined their credit, I don't think they do, but it could vary.

When buying my current car we actually had an issue because the title didn't have a junior but his license did. But that was more the notoriously E36 M3ty notary service we went to, I feel, because we had no problem at the next one down the street.

I'm a third, I'm addressed by everyone that knows me, and introduce myself, by my middle name. When spelling out my full name I always use the Roman numeral III, however my Arkansas drivers license has "3rd" on it.

Good luck with that. My father's name on MY birth certificate doesn't match my father's name on HIS birth certificate. Talk about troubles.

I'm a 3rd. All legal documents have "III" on them and I use it in my signature. At one time there were 5 people in the family with the same first and last name (including cousins), and 3 of those had the same middle name.

Yes it caused some confusion at times.

The potential for it to cause problems was more of an issue during the 80s and 90s when the world was less connected and paper records were more prevalent. Electronic records seem to link to drivers license/ss# in addition to names so there is less confusion.

I haven't had any problem cashing checks or registering cars if it isn't included.

Many times my father or I will leave off any suffix to allow flexibility on which one of us registers/buys/sells something.

I'm the Nick D. IV and my license and debit card and all signed documents show that.

From what I've seen, yes, "Jr," and "III" will appear if they are part of a name, but they don't have to be part of a name.

Not Jr:

Not Sr:

The Bushes have different middle names IIRC. The two people I know that named their sons jr, had to have their names legally changed to Sr.

I have the same name as my father. My license does not include "Jr." but my SS card does... which is a PITA because my license is no longer a valid federal ID because of the discrepancy.

My father was born a Jr. When his father died, he went and had Jr. dropped from his license.

I am technically a third sharing the same name as my father and grandfather. The funny part is that my mother thought the third sounded pretentious, so she agreed I could have the name, but no third. It used to be strange at times since my father is a junior and my official name does not have any suffix, so occaisionally people have been confused as to which one of us is the father and which is the son.

Fun fact, when it skips a generation, jr. can be II.
My grandparents named my pop johnnie II and I'm johnnie III. Generational suffices are silly.
Name your children something original (there are other relatives that would love a shout-out) and they become unnecessary.

I quit signing my full name many years ago, I sign everything by what everyone addresses me by and I recognize as my name without having to think about it, so I just sign my middle and last name.

In high school having the same name as my father made forging his signature that much easier. I don't think I ever did anything too nefarious, but I don't think my dad ever actually signed a permission slip for anything.

The community I grew up in hosts a fairly large fish fry every spring. On election years there's quite the turn out of baby shakers and hand kissers. One such year long ago, before grandpa passed away, he, my dad, and I were all standing in a row battering fish. A politician came up to us to greet us, shook grandpa's hand, and grandpa introduced himself, then dad did the same, then I introduced myself on a lark with exactly the same name. The politician's face was pretty priceless, confused, and maybe a little scared, he didn't make much more time for sharing his agenda/platform with us.

So it does have its advantages.

A word of advice to those who name their children this way: give your kid a nickname or something to distinguish him from his father. My uncle, who was named after my grandfather, was known by all as "Bud," most people didn't know his actual first name.
My parents never called me anything but my first name, which was the same as my father's. It led to some confusion when we received mail under the same roof and consternation when I was a surly teenager.

In reply to johnnie:

That is how I became a T.J. instead of a Tom. I've gone by my initials all of my 46 years and it still seems strange when anyone calls me Tom or Thomas. That is not me, that is my dad.

Well, it looks like I was wrong and SWMBO was right... hopefully this doesn't cause problems in a few weeks.

We had to buy tickets for a dancer who is going to be a performer in her upcoming show, and he is a 'III'. I figured that the 'III' wouldn't be on legal documents, so ordered the tickets with just his full name without it. SWMBO thought we should have put the 'III' after his last name. I guess I just have to hope that it doesn't cause too much trouble when he goes to check in...

I know from frustrating experience that various computer systems will alter such names as they move from system to system. It must be a real nightmare for anyone living with such names. Don't do it to your children... or to the programmers that try to be as accommodating as possible but can't please everyone.

Ashyukun wrote: Well, it looks like I was wrong and SWMBO was right... hopefully this doesn't cause problems in a few weeks. We had to buy tickets for a dancer who is going to be a performer in her upcoming show, and he is a 'III'. I figured that the 'III' wouldn't be on legal documents, so ordered the tickets with just his full name without it. SWMBO thought we should have put the 'III' after his last name. I guess I just have to hope that it doesn't cause too much trouble when he goes to check in...

It very much depends on the TSA agent. I had one a couple years ago, I E36 M3 you not, that took issue with my drivers license saying "3rd" and my ticket saying "III." I explained that III is the Roman numeral for 3rd, hard to explain that like you're talking to a preschooler without sounding condescending, but it worked, I made my flight, no strip searching or probing.

That's very much an outlier, only once out of a 50+ flights in my lifetime that has had an issue.

bigdaddylee82 wrote:

Ashyukun wrote: Well, it looks like I was wrong and SWMBO was right... hopefully this doesn't cause problems in a few weeks. We had to buy tickets for a dancer who is going to be a performer in her upcoming show, and he is a 'III'. I figured that the 'III' wouldn't be on legal documents, so ordered the tickets with just his full name without it. SWMBO thought we should have put the 'III' after his last name. I guess I just have to hope that it doesn't cause too much trouble when he goes to check in...

It very much depends on the TSA agent. I had one a couple years ago, I E36 M3 you not, that took issue with my drivers license saying "3rd" and my ticket saying "III." I explained that III is the Roman numeral for 3rd, hard to explain that like you're talking to a preschooler without sounding condescending, but it worked, I made my flight, no strip searching or probing. That's very much an outlier, only once out of a 50+ flights in my lifetime that has had an issue.

Well, my hope is that since the name and birth date will match that it won't be as much of an issue. I'd call up the airline and ask about updating the name, but I kind of imagine it would still be hit or miss as to whether the information would get properly updated and flowed down to the level it would need to.

johnnie wrote: Fun fact, when it skips a generation, jr. SHOULD be II. My grandparents named my pop johnnie II and I'm johnnie III. Generational suffices are silly.

Your grandparents should only have used the II if your father's name was not identical to your grandfather's. If it was, he should have been Jr.

My family didn't do the Jr. thing. Used initials. My grandfather, dad, myself and my son all have the same initials but different names.

wlkelley3 wrote: My family didn't do the Jr. thing. Used initials. My grandfather, dad, myself and my son all have the same initials but different names.

The ex and her brother had the same initials. So my kids inherited that. On the upside they never have to get anything monogrammed, they are both GAP.

Duke wrote:

johnnie wrote: Fun fact, when it skips a generation, jr. SHOULD be II. My grandparents named my pop johnnie II and I'm johnnie III. Generational suffices are silly.

Your grandparents should only have used the II if your father's name was *not* identical to your grandfather's. If it was, he should have been Jr.

His name was not identical to my grandfather's. It skipped a generation and was identical to my pop's grandfather's.

My dad's middle brother had my grandfather's first name and a middle name. My grandfather was never given a middle name, so rather than calling uncle "jr." they just nicknamed him Bud.

Duke wrote: I have the same name as my father. My license does not include "Jr." but my SS card does... which is a PITA because my license is no longer a valid federal ID because of the discrepancy.

Go to SS and get a new card. I was born Wally the Third. DMV was incapable of putting that on a license and I became Wally. When I got called to work for Transit my license and SS card didn't match. I Needed them to quickly so the woman processing us told me go to the SS office. DMV was right across the street so I tried them first. They couldn't fig it out so I did what I was told and went up to the SS office where I was in and out in under 10 minutes.