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Noddaz
Noddaz PowerDork
3/28/24 9:28 a.m.

Have you cut the tank yet?  If so, toss some charcoal in it and light it up and let heat burn the paint off like someone suggested.

Curtis73 (Forum Supporter)
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3/28/24 9:45 p.m.

The last coat of Aircraft stripper got it good enough that a wire wheel took care of the rest.

I made the decision today to make it vertical.  Too many flowchart variables to explain, but I just liked the idea of vertical more than I liked the idea of infra-red and how to stretch the distance between the burner and grate with it being sideways.

I ground down the weld seam so it was less noticeable.  I have a metal band saw with about an 8" throat, so I welded up a jig that I bolted to the band saw such that I could cut, turn, cut, turn, etc.  The problem arose that the way it sat in the jig with the uneven seam weld meant it was going crooked.  I cut far enough that I could fab up some hinges and get them welded on.  I found some curved steel thingys (that's an official term) that have been in the steel scrap for ages.  They are some curved 1/8" straps that look almost like they might have been toilet flange supports?  No idea, but they got cut for hinges.  1/4" stainless bolts and nylock nuts are the pivots.

I did the old trick where I cut about 1/4 of the way around the tank and then welded on the hinges so I didn't have to fight with alignment later.

Tomorrow I hope to continue cutting with a cutoff wheel to free the lid.  Then I'm going to scrub the ever-loving berkeley out of the inside because I'm tired of my shop smelling like taco farts.

Curtis73 (Forum Supporter)
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3/28/24 9:54 p.m.

Today I also learned that propane tanks of this size are made of ASTM A 203 nickel steel.  2.25% nickel!  surprise

That kind of explains why a 60-grit flap wheel left a mirror-shine polish.  This stuff is hard AF.  The cuts I did on the band saw made me think I needed a new blade, but the new blade didn't cut any faster.

 

dculberson
dculberson MegaDork
3/28/24 10:05 p.m.

Loving it so far!

Curtis73 (Forum Supporter)
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3/29/24 9:55 a.m.

Got it cut open.  So far, Simple Green and Bleach have both been recommended from the intarwebs to get rid of the Mercaptan smell.  Both unsuccessful.  I'll try fire next.

Drilled a 7/8" hole in the bottom for a grease drip.

Question of the day:  I'm thinking ahead to coatings.  I could do some VHT header paint, but I'm told it's not very UV resistant.  I thought about a ceramic powdercoat, but I don't think my oven will get hot enough to cure it.

Curtis73 (Forum Supporter)
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3/29/24 12:34 p.m.

Added a handle on the lid.  I wanted it off to the side in case of flare-ups.  I've already lost enough hair, I don't need bald arms too.

I cut that little 3/4" square tube to follow the curve of the tank and welded a nut in the tube.  That way I could drill through the wood and use a long, countersunk bolt to hold it on.  I really have actual shop work today, so I should probably think about.... I don't know... doing the job for which I'm paid?

... But I SOOO want to get legs on it today.

Curtis73 (Forum Supporter)
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3/29/24 5:37 p.m.

Ok, cue ZZ Topp, because.....

SHE'S GOT LEEEGGS!

Marjorie Suddard
Marjorie Suddard General Manager
3/29/24 5:54 p.m.

It's so cuuuute! And why not just do this for paint? Autozone High Temp paint. Overkill, but that's the best kill next to roadkill. It's flat, but there's a companion clear coat. And red would look good with the handles.

Margie

Curtis73 (Forum Supporter)
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3/29/24 6:01 p.m.

And the grate is sorted as well.  Found this chunk of a cast iron grate.  Little sucker weighs 5 lbs.  My inside diameter is 11-15/16" on the tank, and this one specs out to 11.9".  It should fit pretty snugly, and there's room to grind a tad on the grate if it's tight.  Now to find a burner/valve.  I'm thinking 12kbtu should do the trick.

Curtis73 (Forum Supporter)
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3/29/24 6:03 p.m.

In reply to Marjorie Suddard :

Red would be adorable.

I have to say I almost regretted going vertical with it when I welded on the hinges and the chimney, because it looked like a pig.

Marjorie Suddard
Marjorie Suddard General Manager
3/29/24 6:34 p.m.

I like its pigginess 🐷

Curtis73 (Forum Supporter)
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3/30/24 4:57 p.m.

Getting close.  The stuff left to figure out and do:

  1. burner/valve
  2. paint
  3. make a basket to hold the grease drip cup

Today I got the "lip" welded on around the lid so it goes down over the base instead of just sits on it.  I also welded on a bent nail to the hinge as a stop so the lid doesn't fall over.  It found some non-stick muffin tins.  I'll use one as the grease cup and the other one you can see is now the chimney topper.  I just welded some #10 bolts in the chimney and drilled the one muffin cup to be bolted on top of the chimney.  I also welded in some 1/4" nuts in the bottom of the legs so I could thread in some ajdustable feet for uneven or unlevel surfaces.

I have to consider something, too.  It's nicely balanced with the lid open, but could tip.  I'm reserving judgement until I get the cast iron grate installed, but I might have to weld a plate across the front two legs for ballast to be safe.  I can use that as a place to stick my magnetic temp probe display, or maybe make up a nameplate.

QUESTION OF THE DAY:  It needs a name.  I don't mean like Gertrude or Jim, but I need a name for my little abomination.

stafford1500
stafford1500 Dork
3/30/24 6:12 p.m.

Name suggestion:  Hells Hot Breath

First picture inspired: Sputnik

wvumtnbkr
wvumtnbkr PowerDork
3/30/24 6:20 p.m.

The little abomination. 

Curtis73 (Forum Supporter)
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3/30/24 9:18 p.m.

In reply to stafford1500 :

It totally looks like a space ship

Curtis73 (Forum Supporter)
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3/30/24 9:18 p.m.
wvumtnbkr said:

The little abomination. 

I.... I think I have to call it this.

Curtis73 (Forum Supporter)
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3/30/24 9:28 p.m.

I found a burner.  It's actually a Paella cooker - 8" diameter with "spokes" toward the center.  If I believe the advertisement, it's 5kW, which roughly translates to 17kBTU or so. 

I also snagged a 10.25" stainless fire grate to hold some sort of fire brick/radiant dispersal thing.  My first thought was just some ceramic briquettes, but they can be heavy, and unless you arrange them just right, you get uneven heating. Since this grill is also portable, they'll roll around all the time.  Which made me think of those ceramic honeycomb soldering plates.  They might be awesome for this.  Problem is, I can't find any that are any bigger than about 5" round or 5x4" rectangle.

Help me come up with a material.  Is there anything special about the ceramic in grill briquettes?  Could a person just mix up some ceramic slurry, cast a perforated plate, and fire it?

So I think I'm looking for something like this that is around 10", or could be cut to 10", that can be used as a heatsink for above the burner.

 

Curtis73 (Forum Supporter)
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3/31/24 8:12 p.m.

Cast iron grate fits like a glove.

Steve_Jones
Steve_Jones UltraDork
3/31/24 8:21 p.m.

That's bad ass, just cool as E36 M3. 

Curtis73 (Forum Supporter)
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4/3/24 3:53 p.m.

In reply to Steve_Jones :

You're makin me blush.

VolvoHeretic
VolvoHeretic Dork
4/3/24 3:57 p.m.

Da Bomb

Curtis73 (Forum Supporter)
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4/3/24 4:00 p.m.

Got the burner installed today.  I really wanted the tube to exit the bottom and then turn forward so I could put the valve on a plate between the front legs, but that was going to be work, materials, and nickels and dimes I didn't want to spend.  Instead I popped it out the side and welded a plate on to hold the burner and valve.  Burner, valve, and 3/8" flare installed, so I'm ready for gas on that front.  I had to shorten the burner neck by about 4" and we'll see how my butt weld sealed up once I fire it up.

I had some 1/8" strap steel that I bent around a wood buck to make a holder for the grease cup and welded it in using some wire from a pallet rack shelf I had.  The grease cup is a non-stick muffin tin from the props loft... a duplicate of the chimney cap.

I also drilled the lid for a (much larger than expected) thermometer.

I have a battery spark ignitor coming tomorrow.  Once that's in, I'll try to come up with a side handle situation, then paint, bake, and use.

Curtis73 (Forum Supporter)
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4/3/24 7:48 p.m.

Handles done. Also added a latch on the front.

I'm getting really close to a trip to the butcher.

Curtis73 (Forum Supporter)
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4/4/24 7:26 p.m.

Leave it to me to make dumbass choices.

I was going to powdercoat this grill, and prismatic powders has a 950-degree powder.  I stupidly assumed that it would have a super-high cure temp and bought some VHT instead.  Turns out, the powder only needs 450 degrees, and the VHT is supposed to have three bakes at 250, 400, and 600 to properly cure.

SMH

Oh well, that just means 250 and 400 in the oven, then assemble it and fire up the propane to get it to 600.  I suppose I could try to get the oven up to 600, but I would make sure I had ALL  of the fire extinguishers on hand.

Curtis73 (Forum Supporter)
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4/4/24 7:28 p.m.

I also had a [hopefully] brilliant idea for a heat radiating substrate instead of lava rock, steel "flavorizer" bars, or ceramic briquettes.  I ordered a stoneware pizza pan and I'll cut slots in it or drill holes in it.  Here's hoping it doesn't break

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