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DukeOfUndersteer UltimaDork
1/4/13 2:58 p.m.

In reply to poopshovel:

+1 BILLION!

I truly love Punk, but my god, all Social D's songs sound the same! The more I vote it down on Pandora, the more they play it!

jere Reader
1/4/13 3:09 p.m.

I like a few crust/powerviolence/grind bands but the term "punk" associates too many awful no talent pop bands and styles I just don't like.

...and it looks like hardcore bands are getting lumped in this thread too it has the same problem

Joe Gearin Associate Publisher
1/4/13 3:10 p.m.

Although I was never into punk much a buddy of mine nearly took me to a GBH (Grievious Bodily Harm) show back in 1987. I'm still bummed I didn't go. He came back bruised and a bit bloody from the pit. Things were a little dangerous back then.....people would wear spikes and sharp objects to intentionally hurt folks in the mosh pit.

To me punk was / is crude, loud, short songs, and the bands weren't necessarily good musicians. Maybe that's why I always thought of the Ramones and Clash as Rock bands--- as they were talented musicians. This is opposed to the Sex Pistols who were mostly just raw energy and attitude, without much playing ability.

While I like Green Day and The Offspring, that ain't punk--- Punk was formed as a revolt against the overproduced music of the 70s and 80s (think Steely Dan / "Smooth music") Both of those bands are WAY to professionally produced to be punk in my book. More like Pop-Rock bands.

Just my .02

motomoron Dork
1/4/13 3:21 p.m.

poopshovel wrote: I love punk rock. Words can not express how much I hate Social Distortion.

^This^

On an episode of "VH1 Classics 120 Minutes" there were back-to-back videos by Bad Religion and Social Distortion.

It totally hammered home how these 2 bands which essentially appeared in SoCal at the same moment ended up on exactly opposite paths with BT remaining musically and message relevant, and SD being fodder for "Kulture + Rat Rod Shows".

motomoron Dork
1/4/13 3:34 p.m.

And -

I was fortunate enough to attend both nights of the benefit shows last weekend at Black Cat in DC for the forthcoming DC Hardcore documentary "Salad Days".

The first night was Kingface, Dag Nasty, and Black Market Baby. The second was Youth Brigade, Government Issue and Scream.

Dag Nasty was back together in their original lineup w/ Shawn Brown on vocals, and playing for the first time in about 25 years. The show was squarely in the top 5 or so sets I've ever seen a punk band perform - and as a long time player I've seen more than most.

Dag Nasty - Salad Days Full Show!

If you like the punk, watch this clip - it's pretty great.

poopshovel UltimaDork
1/4/13 3:41 p.m.

While I like Green Day and The Offspring, that ain't punk--- Punk was formed as a revolt against the overproduced music of the 70s and 80s (think Steely Dan / "Smooth music") Both of those bands are WAY to professionally produced to be punk in my book. More like Pop-Rock bands.

Meh. They're certainly anything but punk now, but Green Day's Lookout! stuff absolutely was; even if it was a little bubble-gum at times, it was way less polished than most other "new school" punk at the time; all the fat records stuff, hell, even Bad Religion. "Against the Grain" came out two years before "Kerplunk." Listen to both and tell me which sounds more "polished" and professionally produced. (And you're gonna start a E36 M3-storm if you say Bad Religion ain't punk raawwk.)

Joe Gearin Associate Publisher
1/4/13 4:15 p.m.

Yeah I guess it comes down to your definition of punk. To each his own.

I don't consider this punk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZN6kCgMUjFw

It's too musically complex, to produced, too professional. In my mind it is kick ass rock and roll though.

when I think of punk I think of the Pistols, Dead Kennedys, Suicidal Tendencies, etc.

I'm sure many will disagree with me, but what then is the difference between rock and punk? It seems to be a fine line.

ransom SuperDork
1/4/13 4:26 p.m.

Joe Gearin wrote: I don't consider this punk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZN6kCgMUjFw It's too musically complex, to produced, too professional. In my mind it is kick ass rock and roll though.

When my band plays that tune, we fix the "too produced" and "too professional" issues, though I'm not sure we retain the "kick ass" part

I tend to assume that Bad Religion has more or less adapted what they do to some extent to continue speaking to The Kids. I'm a big fan, and have always found something to like as they've changed.

poopshovel UltimaDork
1/4/13 4:28 p.m.

Speaking of who's punk and who's not

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6S2EhZ_tbw&feature=youtube_gdata_player

poopshovel UltimaDork
1/4/13 4:35 p.m.

I don't consider this punk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZN6kCgMUjFw I

Yeah. And I'm not "grassroots" because I own a new car Pretty sure every Bad Religion fan hates that berkeleying tune...and they released it on MULTIPLE albums. Every other song on Against the Grain berkeleying rules.

I guess bringing bands who were successful into the 90's and beyond into an "old school punk" discussion is kind of silly anyway. My bad. Minor Threat, Subhumans, Bad Brains. Carry on.

David S. Wallens Editorial Director
1/4/13 6:55 p.m.

Personally, punk is like pornography--I know it when I see it.

David S. Wallens Editorial Director
1/4/13 7:02 p.m.

By the way, currently listening to "I Against I." What an album.

oldtin UltraDork
1/4/13 7:18 p.m.

Joe Gearin wrote: Although I was never into punk much a buddy of mine nearly took me to a GBH (Grievious Bodily Harm) show back in 1987. I'm still bummed I didn't go. He came back bruised and a bit bloody from the pit. Things were a little dangerous back then.....people would wear spikes and sharp objects to intentionally hurt folks in the mosh pit. To me punk was / is crude, loud, short songs, and the bands weren't necessarily good musicians. Maybe that's why I always thought of the Ramones and Clash as Rock bands--- as they were talented musicians. This is opposed to the Sex Pistols who were mostly just raw energy and attitude, without much playing ability. While I like Green Day and The Offspring, that ain't punk--- Punk was formed as a revolt against the overproduced music of the 70s and 80s (think Steely Dan / "Smooth music") Both of those bands are WAY to professionally produced to be punk in my book. More like Pop-Rock bands. Just my .02

garageland
Paul Simonon played bass because Jones couldn't teach him guitar

JtspellS HalfDork
1/4/13 7:33 p.m.

So what do you people think of the early hardcore movement?

Ie:

Thrice

Thursday

ATDI

Or even good mathcore?

Between the Buried and me

Norma jean

Dillinger escape plan

Just asking because its because of punk that fed me to these bands.

poopshovel UltimaDork
1/4/13 8:12 p.m.

JtspellS wrote: So what do you people think of the early hardcore movement? Ie: Thrice Thursday ATDI Or even good mathcore? Between the Buried and me Norma jean Dillinger escape plan Just asking because its because of punk that fed me to these bands.

"EARLY HARDCORE???" DC or NY? Get off my lawn!

Paul_VR6 HalfDork
1/4/13 9:29 p.m.

Keep that metal out of my hardcore. Gojng to go listen to a Token Entry record to get the universe back in balance

Gimp SuperDork
1/5/13 12:56 a.m.

poopshovel wrote:
JtspellS wrote: So what do you people think of the early hardcore movement? Ie: Thrice Thursday ATDI Or even good mathcore? Between the Buried and me Norma jean Dillinger escape plan Just asking because its because of punk that fed me to these bands.
"EARLY HARDCORE???" DC or NY? Get off my lawn!

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