In reply to mndsm:
The white man made him say it...?
I get that he was a grieving father, but I would not be opposed if charges were laid on him. He played a major role in what led to the destruction of about a dozen businesses and many vehicles just by what he said that day. We'll see what happens, though.
Tonight wasn't bad. There were mobs of protesters shutting down sections of the city throughout the night but for the most part it was peaceful. I was more aggravated by some of my coworkers than anything else.
In reply to Wally:
That's great. I think that the protests have been shutting down roads every night, even when they are relatively peaceful for the most part. I'm definitely glad that I'm not there right now, though.
I have no frame of reference because I am white but...
Would black people get offended if a white person from South Africa called themselves "African American"?
The only people I've ever seen who could actually be called "African Canadians" were three guys I used to work with who were whiter than I am.
My landlord was black and I'm 99% sure he had never even seen Africa.
In reply to mndsm:
So, it's ok to incite a riot because he's black?
That's racist...
Trans_Maro wrote: I have no frame of reference because I am white but... Would black people get offended if a white person from South Africa called themselves "African American"? The only people I've ever seen who could actually be called "African Canadians" were three guys I used to work with who were whiter than I am. My landlord was black and I'm 99% sure he had never even seen Africa.
Man, I would hope black people wouldn't be offended by that considering the term would actually be correct.After all, someone from South Africa living in America would be African-American...
In reply to EveryQuarterMile:
Probably more than most people who call themselves "African American"
OHSCrifle wrote: He damn near yelled fire in a theater. That's the test phrase for freedom of speech, right?
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/11/its-time-to-stop-using-the-fire-in-a-crowded-theater-quote/264449/
Brown's uncle did pretty clearly incite a riot though. It's sure not gonna feel good when he gets punished for it...
EveryQuarterMile wrote:Trans_Maro wrote: Oh, look, a traffic stop went very badly for this RCMP officer and the news is very quiet about it. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/kamloops-rcmp-cpl-jean-rene-michaud-shooting-suspect-arrested-1.2858668 Ferguson could have very easily gone this way and the media would have been way less excited.This certainly isn't the only example of where the media decided to turn a blind eye to the other side of things. Here's one example. And another. I'm very worried to know how many officers were killed in the line of duty in 2014... I'm sure it will be larger than the total has been for many years.
If you exclude things like health problems and car accidents, the number of LEOs killed in America last year by a suspect is somewhere around 30.
Whereas police killed north of 1700 people.
GameboyRMH wrote:OHSCrifle wrote: He damn near yelled fire in a theater. That's the test phrase for freedom of speech, right?http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/11/its-time-to-stop-using-the-fire-in-a-crowded-theater-quote/264449/ Brown's uncle did pretty clearly incite a riot though. It's sure not gonna feel good when he gets punished for it...
From the same article
Brandenburg v. Ohio .. held that inflammatory speech .. is protected under the First Amendment, unless the speech "is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action" .
So yelling fire in a crowded theater even with knowledge that it would cause a panic is protected, but yelling set this theater on fire is not.
BTW, where is any coverage about Michael Brown's mother "allegedly" assaulting and robbing people selling t-shirts?
Looks like the apple didn't fall far.
z31maniac wrote:EveryQuarterMile wrote:If you exclude things like health problems and car accidents, the number of LEOs killed in America last year by a suspect is somewhere around 30. Whereas police killed north of 1700 people.Trans_Maro wrote: Oh, look, a traffic stop went very badly for this RCMP officer and the news is very quiet about it. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/kamloops-rcmp-cpl-jean-rene-michaud-shooting-suspect-arrested-1.2858668 Ferguson could have very easily gone this way and the media would have been way less excited.This certainly isn't the only example of where the media decided to turn a blind eye to the other side of things. Here's one example. And another. I'm very worried to know how many officers were killed in the line of duty in 2014... I'm sure it will be larger than the total has been for many years.
Hmmm, I think I read that the average number of police to citizens in the US is 20/10k (obviously skewed in certain parts of the country) so those numbers are pretty scary for police officers.
Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote:Woody wrote:FTFYBobzilla wrote: In reply to Woody: Nope.... I meant Eskimo. I'm a cruel, heartless, soulless bastard who doesn't give 2 E36 M3s what people think.My opinion of you has changed. We should club some baby seals sometime.
Hey now, I take offense to that. Only specially trained Japanese guys can do that......its where Motul comes from. 
aircooled wrote: I think a lot of this latest outrage has a lot to do with the "new" media (new new?). And, no, I am not talking about cable news, or online news (that's the old new media). I am talking about the twitter / blog / ect. verse. They are capable of transmitting pure drama with absolutely NO consideration or compulsion to adhere to any sort of facts or reality. It's about the drama people! Honestly, this is not a new thing, just a different form:(you can not see the date, but note is says "secretary" Roosevelt, and we ain't talkin' Franklin either)
It fit an end to a means......Shame we can't win wars that way anymore, aside from small parts of battles, that was about as one sided as could be.
Trans_Maro wrote: In reply to mndsm: So, it's ok to incite a riot because he's black? That's racist...
Obviously. You see, whitey killed innocent little Mikey. Because of that, step dad was so steeped in greif he can't be held accountable for his actions, including inciting a riot. At least that's what the NAACP will tell you once he's charged. Its totally whiteys fault. Matter of fact, I'm pretty sure its my fault directly.
z31maniac wrote:EveryQuarterMile wrote:If you exclude things like health problems and car accidents, the number of LEOs killed in America last year by a suspect is somewhere around 30. Whereas police killed north of 1700 people.Trans_Maro wrote: Oh, look, a traffic stop went very badly for this RCMP officer and the news is very quiet about it. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/kamloops-rcmp-cpl-jean-rene-michaud-shooting-suspect-arrested-1.2858668 Ferguson could have very easily gone this way and the media would have been way less excited.This certainly isn't the only example of where the media decided to turn a blind eye to the other side of things. Here's one example. And another. I'm very worried to know how many officers were killed in the line of duty in 2014... I'm sure it will be larger than the total has been for many years.
This is an entirely incorrect statistic. The number ranges from 400 - 600 a year, not anywhere near 1700 (in the US). 27 officers were killed during felonious acts in 2013, though usually about 80+ officers are killed in the line of duty every year (mainly traffic accidents, for the other deaths). Even so, these people died serving the community.
Of those 400-600 people killed by the police every year, 99.9% are justly killed. 11% are suicide by cop. There are certainly instances where people are unjustly killed, but it is very rare.
Comparing the two is like apples to oranges. Cops work in a line of duty that put them in situations where they may have to use, and are even trained to use, deadly force. Whereas when cops are killed it is always unjust (can't really think of any example that would ever be okay...).
spitfirebill wrote: BTW, where is any coverage about Michael Brown's mother "allegedly" assaulting and robbing people selling t-shirts? Looks like the apple didn't fall far.
Glad that somebody else remembers this. She'll likely be charged with assault, which is actually true... Hopefully we'll learn where that goes.
EveryQuarterMile wrote: This is an entirely incorrect statistic. The number ranges from 400 - 600 a year, not anywhere near 1700 (in the US). 27 officers were killed during felonious acts in 2013, though usually about 80+ officers are killed in the line of duty every year (mainly traffic accidents, for the other deaths). Even so, these people died serving the community. Of those 400-600 people killed by the police every year, 99.9% are justly killed. 11% are suicide by cop. There are certainly instances where people are unjustly killed, but it is very rare. Comparing the two is like apples to oranges. Cops work in a line of duty that put them in situations where they may have to use, and are even trained to use, deadly force. Whereas when cops are killed it is always unjust (can't really think of any example that would ever be okay...).
Latest statistic I found for May 1 2013 to May 1 2014 was ~1100, so I apologize for being off on that.
Also for cops, their deaths on duty from felonious acts is at a 54 year low.
z31maniac said: Also for cops, their deaths on duty from felonious acts is at a 54 year low.
That just means that policies, training, and equipment are getting better. Unfortunately, we've had a few here recently. One of which the family tried claiming "Well if the officer never got out of his car to come after our little boy, he wouldn't be dead" You can't make this E36 M3 up people......
Of course, WishTV has redacted anything to do with it, but it even garnered chastisement from the HuffPo of all places.....probably part of why they lost their CBS affiliation. 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rev-marie-siroky/soundbyte-journalism-if-t_b_5593699.html
Well I feel bad for the business owners if they charge the dad, guess they're ready for a round two?
I understand the authorities are not into appeasement, but pick your battles people. I'd just leave this one alone.
Break the law, go to jail. That's how it is. The sooner some people learn it, the better off everyone will be.
At this point I really don't think anyone gives a damn about going to jail. I understand they're trying to make the exact point you're making.
Not saying he did or didn't break the law, but I think they're playing a dangerous game, and the only people that are going to lose are innocent people.
In reply to Wanderer:
So we blame the police for enforcing the law and ignore the people breaking it? Huh.... interesting philosophy.
Bobzilla wrote: Break the law, go to jail. That's how it is. The sooner some people learn it, the better off everyone will be.
It would be nice if that applied to the Police a bit more often.
(the issue they probably should be protesting)
aircooled wrote:Bobzilla wrote: Break the law, go to jail. That's how it is. The sooner some people learn it, the better off everyone will be.It would be nice if that applied to the Police a bit more often. (the issue they probably should be protesting)
You're not going to get an argument on that from me. IMO,they are not above the law and should be held to a higher standard. But no one asked me.
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