HiTempguy wrote: For the last time, it is not legal, not even in BC. Cripes people.
Come on over to Washington or Colorado and it is!
HiTempguy wrote: For the last time, it is not legal, not even in BC. Cripes people.
Come on over to Washington or Colorado and it is!
HiTempguy wrote: For the last time, it is not legal, not even in BC. Cripes people.
Plenty of people do illegal things that don't compromise their ability to work.
Plus, it's not that illegal in an increasing number of places.
If she's not operating heavy machinery or dealing face to face with clients/the public/whoever... as long as she's still doing her job, I fail to see a problem.
I am firmly in the "You've got an odor, people have noticed, let's take care of that, mmmkay?" camp.
In Canada, having small amounts of pot for personal use is not legal, but it also something that the police do not charge people for it, so it is a grey area. A number of courts have thrown out simple possession charges and have therefore set a precedent.
The politicians refuse to deal with the issue, and therefore so do the police.
Is it legal to be high on the job in Canada?
Edit; What I'm saying is just because it's legal to have or at least not really enforced doesn't have anything to do with wether it's OK to be under the influence of while at work. It sounds like the OP is the boss making it his call. If it's not specifically spelled out in an employee hand book then I don't see anything more than a conversation about it if it's something he doesn't want while he's paying her to work. I make no distinction between being high on the clock versus drinking on the clock. What a person does on their own time is there business, it's a different story when they are on the clock. But it is up to the OP to decide if it's something he is OK with.
Personally, I would like to see it legalized. I do not partake in it myself but I would say 89% of the people I know in real life smoke pot. Of that around 75% do so daily. In my job working in and around heavy equipment with lots of danger all around and very heavy things that can kill you I would not want to be around someone who is under the influence of anything. I'm not sure I would have the same concerns for someone who sits behind a desk all day.
In reply to bearmtnmartin:
If you own your own business then you'll know what your Workmens' Comp bill is annually. What would it be if she is coming to work high and hurts herself? All she has to do is twist or break an ankle and you'll have a significant cost, right? I'm basing this on my experience with Comp costs in Ontario and making the ASSumption that BC is similar. If it was me, anyone coming to work under the influence is done, you just have to be reasonably sure she's the toker.
Most stoners are super paranoid about getting in trouble at work or with the law, that being said:
I'd say issue a "verbal warning" and tell her you won't put it in her file unless it happens again. Let her know that what she does outside of work is her business, but if she brings it with her then it's your business and you won't tolerate it.
you guys are really harshing my mellow
SVreX wrote: Important question... how do you know she is doing her job well? Have you audited her? The most damage I have ever seen to a small business was caused by the bookkeeper........
Read up on Dixon, Illinois and their race horse bookkeeper.....
I have "this friend" who says he's much less likely to injure himself when stoned. You kids are hilarious.
Super good at her job, huh? I bet she always balances to the penny, is so conscientious that she never goes away, and handles everything herself, bookkeeping-wise.
Did you know that these are all red flags?
No matter: You posted a concern here. That means you have, in fact, already flagged her.
First thing, arrange for offsite bank reconciliations. It's cheap, doesn't require audit time or commitments, and an honest bookkeeper will welcome the assistance and backup.
A dishonest one will balk, squirm, and throw up barriers. Mostly in the name of saving "your" money (another red flag: embezzlers can't stop pointing out their honesty or their awareness that what's yours is not theirs). Set it up anyway, double quick if that happens.
The only difference between a small business that has been robbed and one that has not is length of time in business, and awareness that it happened. Sad "insider" fact.
Get thee to an outside firm in town for those bank rec's. Then tell her the next time she wants to absent herself on your time, you will absent the pay for those hours. You are paying for a full person, she agreed to it, you want what you paid for.
Margie
If the odor annoys you, Mayhaps a nice fudge brownie is more acceptable? Piss test the whole crew fer giggles?
NGTD wrote: In Canada, having small amounts of pot for personal use is not legal, but it also something that the police do not charge people for it, so it is a grey area. A number of courts have thrown out simple possession charges and have therefore set a precedent. The politicians refuse to deal with the issue, and therefore so do the police.
It's not a grey area if it is illegal.
In fact, a good lawyer could use it as evidence to prove a pattern of negligence in business management decisions.
Bearmtnmartin, you have knowledge of the activity, and have openly admitted it publicly. If there is ANY possibility she could touch anyone or anything and cause harm, or influence someone else that causes harm, you are responsible.
So what's gonna happen when an employee falls off the roof because he was high, and his surviving wife's attorney learns that you had a pattern of keeping illegal substance users on the payroll, looking the other way, and not assisting them to get help. Kiss your contracting business goodbye.
Ask your Workman's Comp provider how they would feel about your company having an "occassional tolerance for hot chicks" policy. Total fail.
If she's doing a good job set her up independent, from home. No money moves unless you sign the checks.
bearmtnmartin wrote: A Mountie just lost his job for smoking while in uniform.
Fixed that for you.
Booze is legal.
What happens if you show up to work stinking of rum?
Same thing.
/thread
Trans_Maro wrote:bearmtnmartin wrote: A Mountie just lost his job for smoking while in uniform.Fixed that for you. Booze is legal. What happens if you show up to work stinking of rum? Same thing. /thread
Is heroin the same thing as booze?
poopshovel wrote: Is heroin the same thing as booze?
If you take enough of either one all at once, yes.
AFAIK you can take ALL the pot at once and all you'll do is need a pizza and some cheetos....
Marjorie Suddard wrote: Super good at her job, huh? I bet she always balances to the penny, is so conscientious that she never goes away, and handles everything herself, bookkeeping-wise. Did you know that these are all red flags? No matter: You posted a concern here. That means you have, in fact, already flagged her. First thing, arrange for offsite bank reconciliations. It's cheap, doesn't require audit time or commitments, and an honest bookkeeper will welcome the assistance and backup. A dishonest one will balk, squirm, and throw up barriers. Mostly in the name of saving "your" money (another red flag: embezzlers can't stop pointing out their honesty or their awareness that what's yours is not theirs). Set it up anyway, double quick if that happens. The only difference between a small business that has been robbed and one that has not is length of time in business, and awareness that it happened. Sad "insider" fact. Get thee to an outside firm in town for those bank rec's. Then tell her the next time she wants to absent herself on your time, you will absent the pay for those hours. You are paying for a full person, she agreed to it, you want what you paid for. Margie
Good points all. But we are a smallish business and she is not an embezzler. Thanks to the previous experience with a bad bookkeeper I am all over it now. She has been audited twice this year by my accountant and I am about to have it done again. It's not a case of dishonesty, it's just a persons personal habits carrying over into her work place.
poopshovel wrote:Trans_Maro wrote:Is heroin the same thing as booze?bearmtnmartin wrote: A Mountie just lost his job for smoking while in uniform.Fixed that for you. Booze is legal. What happens if you show up to work stinking of rum? Same thing. /thread
I'd fire your ass for that too.
mndsm wrote: AFAIK you can take ALL the pot at once and all you'll do is need a pizza and some cheetos....
I thought there is an overdose amount of THC, but you'll fall asleep and thus be unable to continue smoking long before you hit that limit. It's like the caffeine thing, you can technically overdose on it, but you'll probably have a heart attack long before that happens.
Personally I wouldn't tolerate people coming to work blatantly impaired like that. What you do at home is your own problem but keep it out of the office.
Wally wrote: Ask if she has a prescription. If she does she's golden. I'm hoping for medicinal coke myself.
You don't even need a prescription in my state!
In reply to Javelin:
The state saying its "legal" =/= legal. Just a political protest to the feds. When I can piss seeds and stems into a cup at a pre employment drug test for a national corporation, and pass, it'll be legal.
My dad taught industrial arts (construction trades) at a city high school for 30+ years. Not surprisingly, the thought of some high school student removing a non-surplus limb with a power tool was what kept him up at night. On the other hand, he usually had the "non-traditional" students - i.e. those the school district was trying to keep from dropping out. His approach was like this. Dad: "Cheech, you look a little sick today, maybe you better go home." Cheech: "Naaaaaw man, I'm feeling pretty gooood man." Dad: "Cheech, your eyes are red and you smell a little funny. There are two options, your either really sick and should go home or you've been smoking weed. So I either call the office to let them know you went home sick or I call them to set up a piss test with the principle." Cheech: "Now that you mention it, I don't feel so good." Dad: "Good, oh and, if you come to my class 'sick' again, there will only be one option." As far as I know, he never had it happen twice. It also drew a nice, clear distinction between what was, and what wasn't acceptable without creating reports and paperwork other than "Cheech went home sick today." He also made note of who he needed to keep a closer eye on in the future. Knowing my dad was on top of things had a deterrent value not only for "Cheech" (word always spread pretty quickly after the first "incident" of the year), but for the rest of the class as well.
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